Posted on 12/29/2007 8:34:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39
Yet you posted on that thread, and never once asked that it be removed.
I find it curious that you label this thread as “anti-Mormon.” It is hardly that since it is a releas from FAIR (Foundation for Apologetics Information & Research) an apolgetics arm of the LDS Church. How can it possibly BE anti-Mormon.
What YOU find anti-Mormon, is in fact only the responses by Freepers to the claims of FAIR. I suppose you think articles published by FAIR to be beyond approach and no one should be allowed to refute the claims publicly, especially Freepers?
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FAIR, BYU and JeffLindsay as your sources? Puh-leeze.
Find an UNBIASED source or sources and get back to me.
Your problem remains that no non-Mormon has EVER reported finding anything related to the historical accounts in the Book of Mormon. No non-Mormon will ever find anything, because it is difficult to find evidence proving fiction.
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As I recall, despite the overly inflammatory title, that article was a social editorial, not a religious debate - though the discussion certainly turned into a religious debate. It’s been months, though; I could be mistaken.
My point, Greyfoxx, is that Mormon theology is being used overtly as a means to torpedo a political candidate, and this is inappropriate. If the article were to have a political angle to it, there might be an argument to leave it on News/Activism. As it is, there is no such political angle. It is merely a discussion of theology. Well and good, but such pieces belong in Religion.
In any case, it doesn’t fly to justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior.
~”Find an UNBIASED source or sources and get back to me.”~
The few sources that refute Lindsay and FAIR are just as biased.
The problem is that your bias is preventing you from considering the point of view that disagrees with your own. Since you aren’t open to being persuaded, I see no reason to attempt to do so.
The fact remains that evidence exists. It is open to debate, but is has not been effectively refuted.
Right. The LDS Deseret News, owned by the LDS church, ran an article on Romney's Mormon hypocrisy (meaning LDS are anti-porn but Romney took $ from a porn venue) only because...anti-Mormons insist on it. (Example: July 10, 2007...Deseret runs article on Romney's 10-year board position for Marriott & outlines its tie to pornography)
The article does NOT clearly state that the students were urged to use the Internet to advance any particular candidate - just to engage about their faith. If you see that as political, that’s your business. I don’t think such an argument can be rationally made.
Two things:
(1) Have you ever noticed that there's a slash next to "News" called "Activism?" Is not 200 BYU graduates being led out to the Internet pasture to engage in e-activism, "activism?"
(2) Do you think the fact that you've been told at your local level, & that this article explicitly says that there's currently underway "a national conversation about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" has anything remotely to do with the fact that a Mormon is running for POTUS?
It doesn't matter whether or not these 200 are going to as you say, advance any particular candidate. That's just a red herring. The fact is these 200 know that the "national conversation" about Mormonism is often occurring on sites that talk about Romney. It's actually irrelevant if they would ever mention the word "Romney" (or not) in their postings.
The very fact of their likely presence cropping up on sites talking about news & politics is relevant. If you unleash e-activists on Activist/News Web sites, and if these activists have been directed to gravitate to wherever the "national conversation" on Mormonism is occurring, pray tell how is that irrelevant?
“Mormon theology is being used overtly as a means to torpedo a political candidate”
Ummm, no. Myth Romney’s candidacy has provided more than ample non-theological history to torpedo his campaign.
I think that your ‘church’ is going to find that Myth Romney running for President may have been one of the worst things to happen as you will see your conversion rates plummet due to the curiosity about his faith. Curiosity breeds research, and that is definitely not where you want any potential covert to go. 2 hours on Google and your mishies would be laughed out the front door upon which they knocked.
Good non-answer.
LOL, "social editorial"...your memory serves you poorly.
In any case, you have made your complaint (repeatedly). The decision is not up to me at this point.
What you ARE doing is calling attention to the fact that you have a heavy investment in getting this out of the News forum and I'm sure there are some readers wondering just WHY that is.
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~”Yet you posted on that thread, and never once asked that it be removed.”~
Indeed. We become wiser as we become older.
~”I find it curious that you label this thread as “anti-Mormon.””~
I did not. I did say that anti-Mormonism is the topic. I suppose one could make the argument that anti-Mormons are activists - that has certainly been my experience. But such an argument still does not qualify the topic for News/Activism.
I agree, there does seem to be a great deal of “loose translation” that has happened.
The Finnish and Sa'ami tree cutters must have had this guy alone with them entirely too many times.
I have been saying for a long time that Mitt-flop supporters on FR seem like they are reading from talking points because the way they attack other candidates is much too consistent. (Fred is lazy, looks too old, lacks energy, can't win)..they all give the same spin in their posts. Fortunately most of them come off as intellectually challenged and are easily defeated by presenting evidence and logic. U.S. Army Retired |
So, is it fair to say that you find the national conversation on Mormonism itself to be threatening? Is that what’s really bothering you? Would you prefer that LDS members sit politely and patiently on the sidelines while our faith is being maligned and demeaned in the name of destroying a good candidate? Sorry, I’m not going to roll over like that.
~”...has anything remotely to do with the fact that a Mormon is running for POTUS?”~
Of course it does. People will see Romney and wonder what Mormonism is. If they ask me, I should be prepared to answer. That has nothing to do with political advocacy.
Defense of Mormonism is only a political matter when the anti-Mormons use Mormonism to attack Romney. If they judged his candidacy on the merits, we’d all be singing Kum-Bay-Yah. Alas, trashing Mormonism is a hobby to some; like a shiny new train set, they can’t resist digging their fingers in at every opportunity. Romney simply gave them a good excuse to bring it up.
~”Ummm, no. Myth Romney’s candidacy has provided more than ample non-theological history to torpedo his campaign.”~
I agree that there are plenty of valid reasons to oppose Romney. But if you think that people aren’t trying to use his religion against him, then you need to pay better attention.
As for the rest of your post, I’m not worried. The people who genuinely seek the truth will be glad they found the LDS Church. Those who reject the Church based on lies and specious claims aren’t ready to accept it anyway. Frankly, I’m perfectly happy to trust God in this whole situation.
Thank you.
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