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Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
The Los Angeles Times ^ | December 24, 2007 | Janet Hook

Posted on 12/24/2007 7:55:05 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Alex Murphy

I have two problems with this.

1) I wouldn’t vote for a guy solely on the Fair Tax because I don’t think you’ll ever convince Congress to go along with it so you’d better have other reasons why you’d want that guy elected.

2) If you ever got the Democrats to *agree* to implementing the Fair Tax, they would probably keep the 23% sales tax and also find some way to keep the income tax it was meant to replace.

We saw this in Texas one time when the liberals were all in favor of the new tax. They just didn’t want to eliminate the old tax. Anyone in Congress that is reading this, make SURE you write the bill so they have to eliminate the old tax at the same time they are implementing the new tax. And don’t think for a minute some of us won’t be watching you.


101 posted on 12/24/2007 8:58:04 AM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: clamper1797

It is worth remember that the original income tax was 6% for any income between $3,000 and $500,000/year.

VERY simple. Then Congress began to massage it...


102 posted on 12/24/2007 8:59:13 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Huckabee - the Republican John Edwards)
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To: Alex Murphy

Did Huck actually say 23%?


103 posted on 12/24/2007 8:59:19 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ProfoundMan
Merry Christmas
104 posted on 12/24/2007 8:59:21 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: ChurtleDawg
no. a 23% sales tax is madness.

No! Failing to fully inform yourself about something before opening your mouth is madness!

You apparently know absolutely NOTHING about the Fairtax and refuse to follow the links provided to inform yourself.

105 posted on 12/24/2007 8:59:24 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m getting more than a little sick of these politicians of BOTH party’s coming up with these, self serving, radical plans of reform in government.

They proclaim their grandiose plans as if congress doesn’t even exist. They pander to the population claiming they will give all of us FREE health care, FREE health insurance, FREEDOM from taxes, building secure borders, the list goes on and on and on.

They want to treat everyone like fools and want us to believe all you have to do is ELECT US and it will be done as soon as we take office. All one has to do is look at the past and the success of any of their BIG PLANS have had.

Everyone should hear what all the candidates would LIKE to do, what their core belief’s are but DON”T MAKE PROMISES you can’t or won’t deliver.

Our own party candidates should never try to compare themselves to Ronald Reagan unless they are prepared to stand by their promises and deliver. The candidate who can show the country his CORE BELIEF’S and a HISTORY of those beliefs will, eventually, rise to the top or fall to the bottom.


106 posted on 12/24/2007 9:00:33 AM PST by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: mylife
23% fair?

Are you aware that with the current system your paying over 40% Thought not. Perhaps you should read this first....



Those that refuse to even consider change for the better, are prime examples of part of the problem in America. Think for yourself, not with a lemming brain!
107 posted on 12/24/2007 9:01:35 AM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: imahawk
Some people on FR are here for the sole reason to poopoo the FairTax plan anytime it shows up on a thread.

Yep their whole life revolves around poopooing an idea put forth by the Church of Scientology!

Some sort of cosmic thing where creatures from another planet come and destroy the IRS.

108 posted on 12/24/2007 9:01:54 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: ChurtleDawg
It is madness Churtledawg - [excellent tag line BTW].

But believe it or not, the nrst has lower rates than the income tax system has. IOW, legal participants in today's income/payroll tax system are paying more than they would under this nrst.

Real prices actually decrease - ie purchasing power actually increases - for legal participants in today's system. But illegals, criminals, and current tax cheats will begin having to pay.

That so many are unaware of the full extent of their tax burden is proof that making the tax burden visible would indeed have an effect on spending.

Merry Christmas!

109 posted on 12/24/2007 9:02:20 AM PST by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: mylife

Read my lips: “Lot’s of new taxes!” the Huckster.


110 posted on 12/24/2007 9:02:23 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: Oatka
"Money recouped from the Underground Economy would regain a big chunk also."

I wonder what this figure really is?

111 posted on 12/24/2007 9:02:23 AM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Bigun

I used the calculator and it was interesting on the amount of savings over the current Federal tax.

What I’m curious about it how it would effect the State tax?

If the State got it’s money from the 23%, then I would agree that the savings is worth it.

But if the States are still able to tax you on your income the same as now, then the 23% is added on top of the State income and sales tax.

I haven’t read the proposal but I’m not seeing a savings if the current 11.8% tax is replace with a 23% tax and State income and sales taxes are not done away with.


112 posted on 12/24/2007 9:05:07 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: AppyPappy

I didnt see it anywhere in his web page on the issues.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=5


113 posted on 12/24/2007 9:05:43 AM PST by Tigen (Live in peace or rest in peace!)
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To: Perdogg
The LA times failed to mention the prebates.

I didn't read the article, but I assume they left out the estimated 20% in taxes already imbedded in anything one buys and the removal of corporate taxes would re-introduce competitive pricing back into the market.

Abolition of corporate taxes would send the message to foreign corporations that America is open for business and would increase competition for workers which would naturally raise salaries across the board. This would put more disposable income into the pockets of Americans, and thus increase consumer spending which of course would mean more tax revenue to the government.

114 posted on 12/24/2007 9:05:46 AM PST by infidel29 (Huckabee is the new Ron Paul... Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche.)
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To: RetSignman
"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed - that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.

Federalist #21

"A capitation is more natural to slavery; a duty on merchandise is more natural to liberty, by reason it has not so direct a relation to the person."

Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

“It is fairer to tax people on what they extract from the economy, as roughly measured by their consumption, than to tax them on what they produce for the economy, as roughly measured by their income.”

Thomas Hobbes

115 posted on 12/24/2007 9:06:13 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: boomop1
...you get thousand or so back every month according to income and status.

Ooops... those who choose to receive a rebate of necessity level spending may do so - irrespective of income.

116 posted on 12/24/2007 9:06:17 AM PST by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Misleading title, as might be expected from The Slimes. They somehow neglect to mention in the title that it would replace the income tax, abolishing the latter.
117 posted on 12/24/2007 9:06:45 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: goldstategop

I defy you to find me one person who can accurately predict the macro outcome, the complexity, and the bureaucracy of this hookey NEW tax scheme. It certainly is not the actual sucker candidate that bought into the new tax.


118 posted on 12/24/2007 9:06:45 AM PST by ridge
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To: Principled
(Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)

Oh please, the rebates insure everyone does not pay the same rate from the get go. Charge everyone the same amount! The only true solution to "Divide and Conquer".

119 posted on 12/24/2007 9:07:08 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here; imahawk

Got to love it when a person, from a state being crushed by taxes, wants to tell the rest of us how a lower tax won’t work!


120 posted on 12/24/2007 9:07:32 AM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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