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Romney's honesty problem (Mitt lied about his own mother's position on abortion?! 8/07)
Boston Globe ^ | August 9, 2007 | Joan Vennochi

Posted on 12/21/2007 11:22:10 AM PST by Ol' Sparky

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To: JRochelle
I would never have said this a year ago but I much prefer McCain over Romney.

So you must be a pro-amnesty type who wants to eliminate political speech and raise taxes.

141 posted on 12/21/2007 2:52:52 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Zing! A direct hit.


142 posted on 12/21/2007 2:58:15 PM PST by bw17
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To: greyfoxx39

I have been wondering about Drudge, the night that the story broke about Romney continuing to use illegal aliens, it was on Drudge, but by the next morning it was pulled.

I haven’t seen Drudge posting any of this continuing series of lies by Romney either.


143 posted on 12/21/2007 2:59:22 PM PST by ansel12
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To: greyfoxx39
Drudges Political section right now:

Huckabee's National Chairman Guarantees IA Victory...
ZOGBY: Obama Leads Top Republicans...
UPDATE: McCain Says Allegations He Did Favors for Lobbyist Are Untrue...

BUCHANAN: Is it down to Mitt and Mike?

NOVAK: Baptists Not on Board...

NOONAN: Huckabee 'Floating Cross' Was 'Shrewd'...

*Back in Iowa, Brings Christmas Message...

Clinton says wife a 'world-class genius'...

 

144 posted on 12/21/2007 2:59:42 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: bw17
This was a smear piece written by a pro-choice liberal writer for the Boston Globe. The only “lies” in the article are the ones coming from the keyboard of Ms. Venocchi

Here is something else written by Ms. Venocchi

Bush is the known purveyor of false information. He is the president who convinced a nation to wage war because, as he told us, Iraq represented an imminent threat to America. He is the president who invaded another country on the basis of bad intelligence or bad faith -- it doesn't really matter which. Either scenario explains why people don't trust the administration's terror warnings. Bush's current state of political vulnerability is a direct product of the nation's collective skepticism about him and his administration. Based on their track record, there is precious little reason to trust them on anything>

Kerry offers the promise of a credible voice speaking truth to Americans and the world. Therefore, Bush's one hope for reelection rests in changing that perception about Kerry. The incumbent must somehow turn this election into a choice between liars. That's what the Bush campaign is doing via the book, "Unfit for Command," written by the Vietnam veterans who question Kerry's actions in the war, and via a Willie Horton-like television commercial by those same vets that has been denounced by Democrats and Republicans alike. However, having surrogates denounce an ad and question the motives of the attackers does not necessarily diminish their effectiveness. There are two lines of attack: the first is that Kerry does not deserve his war medals; the second raises doubts about past statements Kerry made about being in Cambodia on Christmas Eve in 1968.

It's unlikely voters will be swayed much by questions about Kerry's specific acts of heroism. For every charge about what he did and under what circumstances, there are crewmates who passionately vouch for his bravery. Besides, many voters will conclude that simply by being in Vietnam, Kerry put his life on the line; who are they to judge what makes a hero? (Clearly, "modest hero" will not be his epitaph, but that is another issue.)

Kerry's statements about Cambodia do have traction for opponents. He has referred to spending Christmas or Christmas Eve 1968 in Cambodia and coming under fire. At the time Cambodia was neutral and supposedly off-limits to US troops. "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia," Kerry said in 1986 at a Senate committee hearing on US policy toward Central America. "I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there, the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me."

The Kerry campaign now says Kerry's runs into Cambodia came in early 1969. "Swift boat crews regularly operated along the Cambodian border from Ha Tien on the Gulf of Thailand to the rivers of the Mekong south and west of Saigon," Michael Meehan, a Kerry adviser, said in a statement last week. "Many times he was on or near the Cambodian border and on one occasion crossed into Cambodia at the request of members of a special operations group."

Answers like that aren't good enough. Kerry put his Vietnam service before voters as the seminal character issue of his presidential campaign. He should answer every question voters have about it -- and he should answer them himself.

145 posted on 12/21/2007 3:01:14 PM PST by kabar
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To: bw17
He is still the best person to run the fiscal policies of the United States.

"Ability" doesn't always = "discernment"

Romney served as a board member for the Marriott Hotel chain...most of this hotel/motel industry has just become another venue for the porn industry...in fact converting this industry into the porn industry itself (what's the difference between a rented hotel room for porn movies & a rented booth at a sexually-oriented booth @ an "adult" store for the exact same purpose?) I just don't think a resume that includes "Board member for porn industry outlet" sounds "presidential" for some reason.

He...recognizes that his position was effectively pro-choice, not pro-life...

He told Chris Wallace in an August 12, 2007 Fox interview that he "never called" himself "pro-choice" ("I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so...")...so I'm not sure how anybody could conclusively tag what he was or is since he can't even do that as of 4.5 months ago!

(Even an ad that comes out has this tidbit quote from his own lips: "I never said I was pro-choice.")

146 posted on 12/21/2007 3:01:50 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

Romney employs Drudge’s boyfriend.

Matt Rhoades.


147 posted on 12/21/2007 3:05:10 PM PST by JRochelle (I support Mitt Romney, figuratively speaking of course.)
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To: ansel12

See my post 147.


148 posted on 12/21/2007 3:07:07 PM PST by JRochelle (I support Mitt Romney, figuratively speaking of course.)
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To: ansel12

Drudge doesn’t run headlines from op-ed articles written by pro-choice left wing journalists.

The Clintonista’s are forced to rely on FR members to perpetuate those smear articles.


149 posted on 12/21/2007 3:10:29 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

If Chris Matthews bashes Romney, then all of a sudden Chris Matthews is the epitome of truth. If the Devil himself bashed Romney, they’d cite the Devil as the paragon of truth. If God Himself endorsed Romney, He’d become the Devil for these folks—notice how Tancredo all of a sudden becomes the Enemy, Bork becomes a RINO. It’s really amusing.


150 posted on 12/21/2007 3:11:07 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: bw17

“Two longtime Romney family friends and political supporters — former governor William Milliken and former Republican National Committee co-chairwoman Elly Peterson — told McNamara they could not recall Lenore Romney speaking out publicly for abortion.”

“Peterson, who worked on Lenore Romney’s campaign, said, “If it happened, I’d remember it. It didn’t and I don’t.” Milliken, who served as George Romney’s lieutenant governor, also expressed skepticism


151 posted on 12/21/2007 3:18:37 PM PST by ansel12
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To: JRochelle
I don't find any "boyfriend" link between them but they supposedly have "an unusually close relationship". I always heard Matt is straight.

"Last year, a delegation of RNC officials flew to Miami Beach, where Drudge lives, for a dinner at the Forge steakhouse to introduce the Internet maven to Matt Rhodes, the party's new opposition research director.

During his time at the RNC, Harris suggests, Rhodes was the G.O.P.'s main conduit for funneling potentially damaging research on Democrats to Drudge.

A year ago, Rhodes signed on to Romney's campaign. Since then, Drudge-watchers have noted Drudge's consistent refusal to hype--and in many cases to even mention--negative stories about Romney. But now Huckabee threatens to blow Romney's nomination strategy. Since last week, Drudge has unleashed a torrent of screaming, anti-Huckabee headlines, culminating in today's "exclusive" (which cites one unnamed Democrat) about the Democrats' supposed hope that Huckabee will emerge as the G.O.P. nominee.

Link

I knew there was money involved there somewhere.

152 posted on 12/21/2007 3:23:41 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: ansel12

This is so confusing. You’re citing an RNC co-chairman to smear Mitt, but one of of your anti-Romney cohorts earlier called the RNC the “RINO national committee”.

And Milliken endorsed John Kerry over Bush in ‘04.

Don’t you check your sources before citing them?


153 posted on 12/21/2007 3:26:48 PM PST by bw17
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To: ansel12

These are the words of William Milliken when he endorsed Kerry in 2004:

“Sen. John Kerry, on the other hand, has put forth a coherent, responsible platform of progressive initiatives that I believe would serve this country well. He wants to balance the budget, step up environmental protection efforts, rebuild our international relationships, *SUPPORT STEM-CELL RESEARCH, PROTECT CHOICE* and pursue a number of other progressive initiatives that moderates from both parties can support.”

(Just another liberal with an ax to grind...)


154 posted on 12/21/2007 3:33:39 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

In other words you have not been able to find the campaign statements by his mother from her senatorial race that would clear Romney from his lies.


“Lenore Romney, an unsuccessful candidate for US Senate in Michigan, said in her platform, ‘’I support and recognize the need for more liberal abortion rights while reaffirming the legal and medical measures needed to protect the unborn and pregnant woman [sic].” She also endorsed ‘’greatly expanded programs of providing adequate family planning services to all those who want but can’t afford them,” adding that ‘’I would oppose any governmental coercion of parents.”

It was not clear what specific positions Lenore Romney was advocating in the statement, and the governor and his press office declined to elaborate on it

Joseph E. Kincaid, vice president of Michigan Right to Life since the time of Lenore Romney’s run for office, said he couldn’t recall her being an advocate for abortion rights. ‘’I would think that her stand pro or against was quite muffled,” Kincaid said. Told of the document the Romney press office released yesterday, he said: ‘’I think you could read that either way. It seems like she’s being a pragmatic politician on that statement.”

In Michigan in 1970, performing or securing an abortion was a felony.

According to Pulitzer Prize winning historian David J. Garrow’s account of the period, ‘’Liberty & Sexuality,” advocates unsuccessfully introduced legislation to decriminalize abortion in the state in 1967, 1970, and 1971. In 1972, Michigan voters defeated a referendum to repeal the state’s abortion law by 61 percent to 39 percent. Former governor William Milliken and his wife, Helen, supported that repeal.

Milliken — who served as lietenant governor when George Romney, Mitt’s father, was governor — told Boston Globe columnist Eileen McNamara that George and Lenore Romney did not join them in that campaign.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/28/romney_releases_mothers_statement_on_abortion_issue/


155 posted on 12/21/2007 3:44:13 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

You haven’t produced evidence that he lied...aside from the *opinion* of a couple of people...one of whom endorsed John Kerry because of his pro-choice stance.


156 posted on 12/21/2007 3:47:01 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

“You haven’t produced evidence that he lied”


You don’t understand, it has been proved that he lied about his mother’s senatorial campaign abortion claims, it is your job to save him, it was a senatorial campaign where is your evidence?

The way you have to save your candidate from the liar tag is to show the evidence of her strongly campaigning on a pro-choice platform.

To simply call all those figures from her life and the campaign liars is not evidence.

If his mother was campaigning on this “she took a very bold and courageous stand in 1970, and that was in a conservative state. That was that a woman should have the right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have an abortion” then prove it.


157 posted on 12/21/2007 4:08:00 PM PST by ansel12
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To: greyfoxx39

Don’t we call our form of Democracy REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY? Is it whoring to represent the interests of those that elected you? NO. Christ, that is what we bitch about all the time; politicians not representing the people’s wishes that elected them.


158 posted on 12/21/2007 7:01:52 PM PST by HD1200
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To: bw17
You hit the nail on the head. Since Romney defeated Democrat Shannon O'Brien in 2002 for Governor, the Boston Globe has twisted, spun and outright lied many times about Romney. Their vendetta against Mitt actually began in 1994 when he was close to defeating Senator Drunken Killer..... The King of Massachusetts.

Hell hath no fury like the bow tied bum kissers on Morrisey Boulevard.

159 posted on 12/21/2007 7:32:20 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE (Liberals are the enemy within)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Pathological lying liberal fraud, the REAL Joe Isuzu Romney.


160 posted on 12/21/2007 7:38:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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