Posted on 12/19/2007 5:42:22 PM PST by BenLurkin
A properly designed system that stops the motor when ever you are stopped would save a ton of gas for people with stop and go commutes. It might be hard on the engine and require bigger batteries, but it would be one effective way to reduce gas comsumption and pollution.”
Keeping traffic moving would be far more effective. If the car must be stopped, and then it doesn’t restart- you plug up all the traffic behind you.
Not a good idea. If you have ever had the bad luck to have this happen to you, you do not want to increase the instances of it happening 10,000 fold every day.
For people who can use the tiny and tinny cars that get great mileage, so be it. I have to move a horse trailer in my business. Not going to happen with a YUGO. I don’t bitch about the mileage, but the price of gas per gallon is preventing me from promoting my business more aggressively, which hurts my lifestyle and causes a little hiccup in the economy.
Ed Begley can drive whatever he wants since he really only commutes about 2 miles to where he works. I have to go at least 6 miles to get to anything commercial, including the Post Office, which is getting totally out of control with the cost of their services- another topic for another day—.
“We could have (for those that want them) tiny cars that get excellent MPG. But the safety standards would be unattainable.”
Exactly!
Say..weren’t those safety standards mandated by Congress?
Someone ought to try to teach our Congress some physics.
Can’t have it both ways; safe AND efficient.”
I keep hearing over and over again in my memory:
Clinton: “Stroke of the pen! Neat”
These fools are over the top with their feelings of power. Too bad it isn’t backed up with some common sense. Congress is populated with people I wouldn’t let walk my dogs, and they don’t need leashes- they respond to a whistle.
I wonder how the California MTBE experiment worked out?
The most destructive force on the planet is government.
When we went through this three decades ago the muscle cars disappeared for a long time. Then you could get a muscle car for $4000. Now you need $40,000. Santayan said, those who don’t remember history are the new generation.
The same applies to carbon based fuels - once again the conservation of energy.
Of course you also have to factor in efficiency considerations. There are efficiency losses in any process.
I know, that's why I said, "How much usable power do you get when you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen?
Twice the money for half the car.”
Just like Congress:
Twice the problems for half the good.
Fuel cells are quite efficient (much better than ICEs which waste a lot of their energy as heat). The one thing which could head off a hydrogen economy would be the development of inexpensive, quick charging, high energy density batteries. This would also be a positive development. Either batteries or hydrogen (or possibly another as yet unknown alternative) will eventually replace petroleum as a fuel - and that will be a good thing.
I know. The "inventor" and the Freeper I'm laughing at are generating H2 to burn in an ICE.
The one thing which could head off a hydrogen economy would be the development of inexpensive, quick charging, high energy density batteries.
Common sense would also head off a hydrogen economy.
Either batteries or hydrogen (or possibly another as yet unknown alternative) will eventually replace petroleum as a fuel -
How will the hydrogen be generated?
and that will be a good thing.
Why?
We won't be buying hydrogen or electricity from the Middle East. That's a very good thing - unless you are an oil sheik.
The logical thing - logical (therefore opposed by most Democrats) - would be to produce it domestically.
When I began investigating the career of industrial designer my senior year in college, I was dissuaded from going after car design because you had to live in Detroit, unless you were real lucky and got hired into an Italian firm. Almost literally my senior year in college Toyota founded Calty and all the others followed suit. As usual, this aspect of my life turned out to be a classic case of bad timing.
With what?
were you aware of a company called protium which has developed a hydrogen on demand system for our present cars which you can add on in a couple of hours. Mpg increases of up to 100% are being had now. They will be selling a protium injector which will allow there system to fit on any fuel injection system to go full hydrogen. Their patented device uses about as much electricy from the car as it takes to use the auto door locks. Guess what, much more energy on output than input! I know you will find that hard to believe, but if you give them a call you will see that it is true. And it’s only about $750. The full hyrogen with the injector will be a little more, I am sure. Their number is 405.604.0033. I hope you are open minded enough to unlearn some of your cloesely held teachings.
LOL!
I hope you are open minded enough to unlearn some of your cloesely held teachings.
Yeah, those pesky Laws of Thermodynamics.
ok, go ahead and miss out on amazing new technology...all because you want to believe the set rules not realizing that some of the laws discovered could be inncorrect. Many very learned people believed that the world was flat for sometime. In your arrogance you implied that I was dumb and yet you won’t even check out a product that does effeiciently make hydrogen out of water for pennies. Who is the dumb one? Hope you at least check out Protium company.
Yeah, the Laws of Thermodynamics are incorrect. LOL! So, you never took a Physics class, right?
In your arrogance you implied that I was dumb
I think that's been proven.
and yet you won’t even check out a product that does effeiciently make hydrogen out of water for pennies
You never did tell me how much energy it takes to produce the hydrogen, how much energy is released. Try again?
Who is the dumb one?
Still you.
From my link that you couldn't understand. "Converting water to hydrogen is done through electrolysis. Scientist David Pimentel has established that it takes 1.3 billion kWh (Kilowatt hours) of electricity to produce the equivalent of 1 billion kWh of hydrogen. (BioScience, Vol. 44, No. 8, September 1994.)"
That's why water is not a source of energy.
wrong again...much has been invented since that article from 1994. Ok, you sound like a broken record not willing to change your view. That’s fine, you are only hurting yourself. Change is coming and you will probably be the recipient of it even though you doubt it now. And at protium company, the amount of electricity is about what needed to operate the door locks...to make the hydrogen from water to run a car. Why don’t you check it out if you don’t believe me. Google them. You honestly don’t know what you are talking about and you don’t realize how silly you are sounding just content that I am wrong without even checking the new inventions out.
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