Posted on 12/19/2007 5:42:22 PM PST by BenLurkin
actually ,there are several inventors who have developed ways to extract the hydrogen gas from water very cheaply. If you do any amount of research you will find that out. We have the brightest minds here in our country and it is just a matter of time before we are free of the oil monopolies. By the way, there is more stored energy in water than gasoline and for you to try and tell mr that there is not hydrogen energy in the water molecule is really nutty. You need to stop thinking so negatively. Take a look at fhu.com...they have a wonderful be still download for free which can open up your goodside.
Money cost is different than energy cost.
By the way, there is more stored energy in water than gasoline
So funny, so wrong.
You need to stop thinking so negatively.
You should read a book on physics. Read up on thermodynamics. It's obvious you never took a class, or slept through it.
really? there have been several inventors of late that have found inexpensive ways to split the h20 molecules and use the very powerfull hydrogen gas to run an engine. That gas is quite a bit more powerfull than gasoline and is more efficient and clean burning. Where am I wrong? It is well known that gasoline is an inferior fuel in power compared to hydrogen. And you seem to be overlooking all of the energy used in order to make that galllon of gasoline. You deny me my point that there is hydrogen energy in water and then ask me about what classes I have taken. Obviously the hydrogen energy I spoke of needs to be released by splitting the h20 molecule, but that doen’t deny my statement. The energy is dormant but ready to be released. I think it was obvious what I meant and you are just splitting hairs for some weird reason.
Truly.
That gas is quite a bit more powerfull than gasoline and is more efficient and clean burning. Where am I wrong?
It takes more energy to get the hydrogen than you get out of burning the hydrogen.
And you seem to be overlooking all of the energy used in order to make that galllon of gasoline.
Even if you used half the energy in the oil to make the gasoline, you still have more energy than you started with.
You deny me my point that there is hydrogen energy in water
Take 1 KWH of energy to make hydrogen. Burn the hydrogen. How much usable energy do you think you get?
and then ask me about what classes I have taken.
Yes, because your lack of understanding makes it obvious you haven't.
Obviously the hydrogen energy I spoke of needs to be released by splitting the h20 molecule,
That splitting takes more energy than you get back out. Sounds like a bad battery, not a source of energy.
The energy is dormant but ready to be released.
LOL!
I think it was obvious what I meant and you are just splitting hairs for some weird reason.
Yeah, the weird reason is my understanding of physics. And your lack.
I haven’t made any wrong statements and you are simply wrong that it takes more energy to get hydrogen than what we get from it. That is not the case anymore. You didn’t even bother to read my link of the very real inventor that found a way to use a cheap alloy to split the h202 molecule. There are others too but you seem so invested in the old way that you are not really interested in the new. Are you in the oil industry?
also, nuclear power could be used to make hydrogen fuel...extremely cheaply. The answers are right under our noses but the oil companies are big spoiled brats with alot of political influence.
I don’t think so. I think it only makes sense for people with lengthy stop and go commutes. The rest of us it won’t save enough to pay for itself.
LOL!
Where is the powerplant making the hydrogen and burning it for the excess energy?
You didn’t even bother to read my link of the very real inventor that found a way to use a cheap alloy to split the h202 molecule.
How much energy does it take to make the alloy? How much energy do you get out of the hydrogen?
There are others too but you seem so invested in the old way that you are not really interested in the new.
Yes, I'm invested in reality.
Are you in the oil industry?
Are you ever going to admit you never took Physics?
Sure, but it is a net energy loss, not a gain.
wrong...you don’t seem to understand the nature of hydrogen. I don’t even know why I am trying to get through to you when you seem blocked off and really uninformed and then think I am the dumb one. O boy...
Educate me. How much power does it take to split a water molecule? How much usable power do you get when you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen?
and then think I am the dumb one.
If the dunce cap fits.....
Perfectly stated!
uummm...in the case of the inventor who is using the inexpensive alloy to do the splitting it’s pennies to the gallon. That makes browns gas which runs the engine along with the air intake like any gasoline engine. You honestly don’t know what you are talking about because you haven’t reasearched the latest invetions concerning hydrogen fuel. you have a mind set that has been taught to you and you don’t seem to want to get out of it. That’s fine, but the electric and hydrogen cars are coming. Very cheap and clean cars will be made, setting our economy much more free and giving us total independence from foreign oil. You really should stop thinking you know so much and at least look into the link that I had provided of the alloy method of creating hydrogen.
Okay.
The amount of energy in the water molecule is thus vast, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of energy it takes to break down that molecule. This is an extremely important point, as so many people — even scientists — are unclear on this concept. And yet if we can find an economical means to break down the water molecule, our energy problems are over.
LOL! That's funny! Let's keep going.
The environment is experiencing tremendous problems at the moment, and one of the most serious of these is that we are losing our oxygen. The oxygen content of the air is becoming so low that it threatens our very existence in some areas. The normal oxygen content of our air is 21 percent. But in some places it is only a fraction of that! In Tokyo, Japan, for example, the oxygen content of the air has dipped to 6 or 7 percent. If it reaches 5 percent, people will begin to die. Tokyo has even put oxygen disbursement centers on its street corners, so that people can get emergency oxygen if they need it.
Maybe the place his head is stuck has 7 percent oxygen?
Maybe not in water, but take your fat wife with you and you can do this!
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Eco-boat powered by human fat attempts round the world speed record
The fastest eco boat on the planet will attempt to break the round the world speed record using fuel made from human fat.
Pete Bethune, the New Zealand skipper of Earthrace, said the attempt to circumnavigate the globe would begin from Valencia in Spain on March 1 next year.
Bethune and his wife mortgaged their house and sold everything they own to help make the project happen, while continuing to seek support from sponsors.
all the more reason to switch to a hydrogen, electric economy.
you are sadly mistaken...lost in your negative thoughts.
Really?
You believe that you can get more energy out of the hydrogen than you put in?
Really?
You believe that you can electrolyze water, burn the hydrogen and release extra oxygen into the air?
Really?
RE: Design studios in California. If you were an automobile designer, where would you rather live, Detroit or Southern California (home of the little old lady from Pasadena).
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