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Magna Carta copy sold for £10.6m[$21.3M]
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| 19 Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/19/2007 5:55:13 AM PST by BGHater
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posted on
12/19/2007 5:55:17 AM PST
by
BGHater
To: BGHater
I remember reading this some years ago in school. It is portrayed as the forerunner to our constitution, but most of it is laying out protections for the nobles — not ordinary people. I can see how it was a step towards what we have today, but it was a very small step.
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posted on
12/19/2007 5:59:42 AM PST
by
jim_trent
To: jim_trent
One small step for man, one giant step for mankind.
To: BGHater
Our old buddy Ross Perot was hoping to get $30 mil. Anyone remember what he paid for it??
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:10:22 AM PST
by
devane617
(Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.)
To: BGHater
The auction item had been owned by American billionaire Ross Perot's Perot Foundation since 1984 and was on view at the National Archives in Washington.It's a good thing Sandy Berger didn't put it in his pants and accidentally shred it.
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:12:40 AM PST
by
TruthShallSetYouFree
(Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
To: devane617
I am answering my own question...
"Perot Foundation purchased the manuscript in 1984 for $1.5 million and loaned it to the National Archives in Washington, D.C., where it had been on exhibit until earlier this year."
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:14:56 AM PST
by
devane617
(Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.)
To: jim_trent
It established the Rule of Law over the arbitrary dictates of the sovereign (Lex Rex vs Rex Lex). THAT is the important legal step.
Odd though that the authors get the history so wrong. This is the 1297 Magna Carta or Confirmatio Cartarum of Edward I issued by Parliament. Not the original Magna Carta of 1215 issued by King John.
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:15:47 AM PST
by
fireforeffect
(A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
To: devane617
Interesting. So, all the costs since 1984 would have been paid by us taxpayers - exhibiting - maintaining temp/humidity, security, insurance, transport, and personnel salaries - guards and the like. And, perhaps that is somehow transferable to the Perot Foundation to deduct from the gain?
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:24:33 AM PST
by
C210N
To: devane617
Our old buddy Ross Perot was hoping to get $30 mil. Anyone remember what he paid for it?? I wish he had gotten 50 Million for it. The money goes to helping wounded soldiers. What a fantastic idea. Ross Perot has done so much for the everyday fighting men and women. Hats off to him. Wish more billionaires would put their money and heart with those who fight for our freedom as Mr Perot did.
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posted on
12/19/2007 6:26:03 AM PST
by
rineaux
(How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
To: rineaux
The money goes to helping wounded soldiers.Thanks I did not know about that point of the story. A pretty important aspect.
Regards
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:04:08 AM PST
by
ARE SOLE
(Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
To: fireforeffect
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:05:34 AM PST
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
To: knarf
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:17:22 AM PST
by
fireforeffect
(A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
To: fireforeffect
Geez fireforeffect ... I thought that's what you wanted.
"Odd though that the authors get the history so wrong. This is the 1297 Magna Carta or Confirmatio Cartarum of Edward I issued by Parliament. Not the original Magna Carta of 1215 issued by King John."
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:24:18 AM PST
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
To: knarf
I can use the interweb miself.
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:36:25 AM PST
by
fireforeffect
(A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
To: ARE SOLE
Like your tagline, Would like to see Ramos and Compean released.
Still crossing my fingers they will be released before Christmas.
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:51:19 AM PST
by
rineaux
(How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
To: BGHater
Looks like Jews get a raw deal in the Magna Carta:
11. And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews.
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:53:34 AM PST
by
krb
(If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
To: fireforeffect
OK ... Then I’ll profer the kind word ... Have a merry Christmas.
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posted on
12/19/2007 7:59:30 AM PST
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
To: BGHater
Not as much as I expected it’d sell for. I’m glad to see the Carlyle Group is going to allow it to go back on display.
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posted on
12/19/2007 8:10:24 AM PST
by
newzjunkey
(Huckabee, Rudy, Romney: 3 red herrings, 3 easy pickings for Dems in '08.)
To: jim_trent
I remember reading this some years ago in school. It is portrayed as the forerunner to our constitution, but most of it is laying out protections for the nobles not ordinary people. I can see how it was a step towards what we have today, but it was a very small step.
I've got the text of the Magna Carta on my website. One way to look at it, is that it is a list of kingly "shall nots". Prior to the Magna Carta the king could do just about anything he wanted and wasn't restrained by anything but his own personal restraints. After, it was generally accepted that the law applied to the king, as well as his subjects. That's really a major shift in thinking.
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posted on
12/19/2007 8:44:42 AM PST
by
zeugma
(Hillary! - America's Ex-Wife!)
To: jim_trent
I remember reading this some years ago in school. It is portrayed as the forerunner to our constitution, but most of it is laying out protections for the nobles not ordinary people. I can see how it was a step towards what we have today, but it was a very small step.
Many of the rights granted in the US Constitution weren't aimed at ordinary people either. They were aimed at one of two genders; they excluded slaves; and they excluded non property-owners.
Look at the population of counties in early US elections versus those that were permitted to vote and actual voter turnout to get an indication of what I mean.
This by no means takes away from the historical significance of either document. Remember the historical context of legal protections prior to the Magna Carta and prior to the US Constitution. Each is a step up the ladder to freedom for all men.
That neither was a perfect document or was the top rung of the ladder takes away nothing from either document. Each should be measured in the era in which they were created and noted as huge steps forward for humankind.
jas3
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posted on
12/19/2007 8:44:57 AM PST
by
jas3
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