Should The Public Be Able To Get The Types Of Guns We Use In Iraq?

Brady Campaign ^ | December 14, 2007 | Paul Helmke

[Mike-o-Matic]

*droool*...

[Hoof Hearted]

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In Sweden(?) everyone has a Military automatic "assault" weapon in their closet issued them by the government"

Actually, it's Switzerland.

[dan1123]

Uh..only to look at, of course!

I hope you would also use it to take down a psychopathic mall or church shooter too.

[CowboyConservative]

You are correct But before I say any thing else please I never have nor will I ever call for or condone the use of violence against a governmental body!
If you read the writings of the founding fathers Hamilton etc. the reason there is a Second Ammendment is because they knew an armed citizenery would keep a government from becoming oppressive. The first shot fired in the Revolution was because the British were trying to “disarm” the colonists. Liberals have a very unconstitutional agenda they love control. The only time they care about crime rates is when they can use a horrible crime to push their agenda and that alone, as in the removal of firearms from the people. Remember armed citizens are free citizens unarmed citizens are subjects open for control.

[GladesGuru]

‘These bullets are not available to the public.”

Try google for .223 bullets, surplus.

Thanks to the present war and too many years of Liberals in congress, the supply is scarce to vanished.

But, these are pulled military bullets. The bullets are available in .223, .308, and 50 cal for the 50 cal BMG shooter.

Military brass is also available, as it military powder.

[CowboyConservative]

Nice pic. the guns aren’t bad either

[PeteB570]

Bugger that - I want a Mk 19 and 20 boxes of ammo.

[School of Rational Thought]

Omaha shooter used an SKS not an AK47 of any variety.

[Cobra64]

The new SiG 556 looks interesting.

[Cobra64]

[CodeMasterPhilzar]

Excellent post. I would add that most people, particularly legislators, have a very fuzzy, indeterminate definition of "assault rifle" or "assault weapon." I would say, practically, anything being shot at you is an assault weapon. ;-) I've seen definitions that include such things as clip or magazine fed, or self-loaders (semi-automatic), or based on magazine capacity, etc.

I've also heard people say, well, no-one needs a rifle or handgun like X, or that can do Y... Yeah, well, no-one really needs a stamp collection, or 3 sets of golf clubs, or a car that can go 100mph in 3rd gear... But the great thing about this country is that we are (supposedly) free to pursue our own happiness. I remember reading that somewhere...

About the only thing I agree with the gun-grabbers on is teflon coated ammunition - the kind designed specifically to defeat all kinds of body armor. No real need for that. Even if an attacker is wearing body armor, I intend to put enough rounds into them to knock them down, then go for a head shot anyway... ;-)

[Steamburg]

The only problem is an attempt to use logic to defend your position and accept their premise that there is a problem with an armed public.

IMHO, the argument is that we need those kinds of arms to defend us against people who are willing to make those false arguments to enslave a free people.

[javachip]

These bullets are not available to the public

Um, yes they are. Should be plenty listed for sale here.

[Cobra64]

[Steamburg]

If you have to ask what it costs per round, you can’t afford one. Kind of a self limiting thing.

[CodeMasterPhilzar]

Yeah, do you think it may (ever) sink in to the gun-grabbers that these incidents keep happening in nominally "gun free" zones?

I would like to point out that they are (obviously) not, in fact, gun free zones as is evidenced by the body count.

I would also like to point out to them that these areas appear to be selected such that the perpetrators have the maximum opportunity to kill and injure. Not that they are necessarily cowards - they have to know it is going to end badly for them. In fact, recently, most seem to end up taking their own lives. However, they specifically go to gun free zones so as to minimize their initial risk, and maximize their time for mayhem.

If all the country was a gun free zone then we would be at risk from these criminals everywhere. Not only would it bring out the severely disturbed individuals bent on destruction and suicide, it would also "lower the bar." That is, knowing that they were even less likely to run into armed opposition, even the less profoundly disturbed individuals would feel emboldened to lash out at society.

We don't need fewer firearms, we need fewer gun free zones. Did anyone else note that the security guards at the Church in Colorado were not in fact normally armed? The woman who ultimately stopped the murderer was in fact armed with her own personal, registered and concealed-carry licensed firearm. Thank God, literally, that she was there. Another (unarmed) security guard was quoted as saying he was hiding behind a wall during the shooting.

[PROCON]

The new SiG 556 looks interesting.

Tell me..tell me..tell me, what is it??!!

[SwankyC]

the Constitution ... does not say however, how many or what type of arms

That's right and my money is riding on the SCOTUS saying that EXACT thing. Laws will be enacted overnight limiting a person to 1 weapon (probably bolt action) of a very small caliber or better yet, a shotgun.

[HockeyPop]

In Switzerland there is an auto assault rifle in every home which was one reason the Nazis decided to skip invading those guys. When one Swiss citizen was asked after the war whether he was worried about being invaded by four million Wehrmacht he replied that since there were two million Swiss he’d only have to shoot twice and then go home.

[Eye of Unk]

I am seeing a lot of threads here and other boards about issues of the public being better armed, it feels like a group is trying the get a feel of what the people are thinking.