Posted on 12/14/2007 4:27:26 PM PST by dynachrome
Girl! ROFLMAO!
Isn't that amazing? I went through the same thing as a prayer leader on the day after 9/11 as I organized an open prayer meeting for 9/12 — one of the members huffed off, backed up by the pastor, because she insisted we shouldn't "offend" Jews or Muslims by praying to Jesus on such an occasion. I have since left the Methodist Church, which is so corrupted in the North and Mid-Atlantic as to be unrecognizable as the church of the Wesleys.
Sanctimony, darlin'. Pure sanctimony, where a simple "Thanks for your kind thought" would suffice when a co-worker tries to give you a little Christmas gift.
Your mentioning your contributions to FR in your screed imply that you think money or works should buy, if not grace, then perhaps the silence of those who disagree with you. Tsk.
Have a great non-denominational holiday, anyway.
In spirit and in truth! That said, I have been to Passover seders at several Christian churches. You might try to introduce the practice in yours, or perhaps hold a joint event with the nearest Messianic Jewish congregation.
Imagine how she’d scream if it was a quote from the New Testament!
I believe you are correct. My Jewish coworkers love Christmas and are the first ones to want to put up decorations in the office, bring special treats and cookies, etc.
Thank you for the reference!
My church has contacts with a local Messianic Jewish group, and some of the most insightful things I’ve heard have come from that group.
Perhaps it would. However if a co-worker explains that they don't observe Christmas than a little respect for their beliefs would be nice.
Your mentioning your contributions to FR in your screed imply that you think money or works should buy, if not grace, then perhaps the silence of those who disagree with you. Tsk.
I would encourage those who disagree with me to disagree in a courteous and respectful manner. That was the reason for my mentioning my Freerepublic background...to show that I wasn't some newbie here to troll.
However, if such people can't disagree with me without impugning my character and motives than I would still encourage them to disagree. The words they use speak volumes about their attitude and character.
Have a great non-denominational holiday, anyway.
I'll say "thank you" in the same spirit it was offered.
I was not aware of this Scripture. I have read the Bible several times and I don't remember reading this verse. Would you please give me the Scripture. Thanks!
1Co 11:24 and having given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which has been broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.
This memorial to the atoning death of Christ is done once a year on Passover, the same day he was sacrificed and the same day he made these statements.
Passover was commanded to be kept once a year:
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
That is of course the that the Lord was sacrificed for us. And was also when Christ instituted the symbols of bread and wine. It's a yearly memorial observance.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Many people are confused about the frequency by the wording in the old King James of one of Paul's letters:
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
This means "whenever you drink it", not "drink this as often as you can". The wording of the Message version makes this clear:
1Co 11:25 After supper, he did the same thing with the cup: This cup is my blood, my new covenant with you. Each time you drink this cup, remember me.
If the standard were to drink it as often as we can to remember the Lord than Christians should be drinking all the time or else they're not following Paul's instruction.
[1 Corinthians 5:7-8] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
[Luke 22:17-19] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luke is describing an Essene "meatless" Seder taking place on the evening (sundown) of the 13th/14th of Nisan/Abib. Our Saviour did not attend a regular Passover Seder that year (14th/15th) because....as Paul said to the Corinthians....He was the Passover. He was sacrificed the next afternoon....the 14th of Nisan. [Leviticus 23:5]
For about the first 150 years of Church history there is no indication that there was ever a problem with Christians keeping Passover. We begin reading in the Church Fathers about the "Quartodeciman controversy". This centered around the day of Passover. The Church in Rome had begun observing "Easter" on a Sunday following Passover but the Church in the East continued keeping the Passover....."As a remembrance" on the 14th of the first Hebrew month as directed in Leviticus.
The Apostle John....the last living Apostle, instructed all his disciples and followers on the correct observation of Passover....as the Lord had directed him. Here is Polycrates, Bishop of Ephesus writing about this very thing. These are third generation Christians....well into the second century....still observing Passover as Our Lord had instructed us all though the scriptures.
This controversy of the correct day to celebrate Passover was mainly a result of early anti Semitism creeping into the Church and the effort by some to disavow anything that smacked of Judaism! Many Christians of today still keep the Passover celebration as part of God's instructions given us in the Book of Leviticus.
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