Posted on 12/13/2007 8:32:57 AM PST by BradtotheBone
Best line and best reasoning on the entire thread!!
Operator: Don’t go outside the house.
Horn: I’m doing it.
Operator: Mr. Horn, do not go out of the house.
Horn: I’m sorry. This ain’t right, buddy.
Operator: You’re gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with that gun. I don’t care what you think. Stay in the house.
Horn: You wanna make a bet? I’m gonna kill ‘em.
Operator: Ok. Stay in the house.
I’m not sure what relevance it has that his proclamation that he was “gonna kill ‘em” was in response to the operator telling him he would be shot if he went out with the gun, but that’s the sequence of the comments. It is still clear from that comment and Mr. Horn’s subsequent actions that his intent was to kill the men before he ever left his house.
You are right about that. Most people who are outraged by this are liberal whiners who think they should be able to abort at will and euthanize Grandma. I am not against the concept that you have a right to protect your property. My problem is that I think Mr. Horn was entirely too eager to kill someone. His stated intent was to kill the men, and that’s exactly what he did. He gave a farce of a warning with no time to react, then shot the men in the back.
I’ll ask anyone on this thread who blindly supports Mr. Horn: What if , despite your best efforts to train them to respect other people’s property, your 15 year old had a few beers too many one night and got involved in something like this with a couple of friends? Would you feel that Mr. Horn was justified, or would you think maybe he had gone a little too far?
I suspect that a great deal of the support for Mr. Horn on this board has as much to do with the ethnicity of the perps as it does with whether Mr. Horn’s actions were right or wrong.
The only people here who are doing anything “blindly” are those trying to find fault with Horn.
He intended to kill them? Good.
Nothing was at risk but property, and he killed them anyway? Good.
They were running away, and he killed them anyway? Good.
I don’t care if they were down on their knees crying and begging for their lives. They forfeited their right to breathe when they entered that house. Horn just made them pay the check.
The only way we’re ever going to take our country back is with a lot, ***LOT*** more of this kind of thing.
If you think a lot more of this kind of thing is going to “take our country back” then you clearly misunderstand the way this plays to most Americans.
I’m not talking about Freepers. I know that Mr. Horn is very popular here. I’m talking about the vast majority of the rest of America, the ones that voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Dummies last election. We don’t win over anyone by shooting people in the back without sufficient warning. Mr. Horn’s case will be used by the left as a prime example of the need for stricter gun control, beyond handguns and “assault rifles” and now extending to shotguns and all other types of weapons.
On this board - clearly there is the opposite reaction, but sentiment on this board rarely reflects political reality as much as it does political idealism. If you don’t believe that, just look at how different the results of the last couple of elections have been than posters on this board claimed to be confident that they would be.
I’m not calling for a pragmatic approach to win votes, but this case just bothers me as a clear example of a man who, much like Officer Gardner of the Utah Highway Patrol, was much too eager to pull the trigger.
Actually, the Founders were killing people over property. They took the "property" stuff our of the Declaration and Constitution in part because it was commonly understood at the time that property was paramount.
I imagine the Founders would be gobsmacked at today's notion that "it's just stuff".
That's how the government ended up owning most of our "stuff", including our paychecks, real estate and automobiles.
Question: Was the 15 year old drunk boy with the 4 girls toilet-papering?
Another question: What if the 15 year old boys actions inadvertantly caused another person to die?
Straw men can run wild.
And do you really believe “sentiment on this board rarely reflects political reality”? What is up with that?
And you appear to clearly misunderstand that most folks on here just don't give a rat's derriere HOW this "plays" to most Americans.
The issue being discussed is whether Joe Horn did the right thing, and the overwhelming concensus is "YES!"
"Most Americans" wouldn't know the "right thing" if it jumped up and bit them on the nose.
“The law of our land seems to place more value on the property being stolen — even if it belongs to a neighbor — than on the life of the burglar stealing it.”
Since the life of a sneak thief is essentially worth nothing and any kind of property has some sort of value by definition, I think this is right.
As with most liberal pro-criminal screeds, this one is based on a strawman. It is not property in and of itself that is worth a human life, it is the right not to have our possessions taken by force that is worth defending with lethal force. They are not the same thing at all.
The silly [w]itch is blaming Texans for those two poor disadvantaged illegal aliens robbing a Texans home, just doing the jobs that real Texans refuse to do and they get themselves shot and killed in the process. She, like the two thieving sorry-ass thugs just don't understand Texas homeowners anger and rage at being taken for a expensive ride and then advantage of by bleeding heart social engineering liberals and their handymen thugs.
Even if they don't indict him, it doesn't mean Horn's actions were morally right. He chose to kill; he didn't have to. ......
The two low-life professional thugs also knew that this was a risk they were willing to take when they chose to break into a mans home and steal his hard earned property [in Texas]. I'm afraid even more of them will get blown away yet still as they just don't want to live with the rest of us in a peaceful and law abiding manner. Too bad. Personally, I too am locked, loaded and ready for em'.
Burglary of a residence was a capital crime in most states, back before the communists took over. It still is anywhere I reside.
“I’m not talking about Freepers. I know that Mr. Horn is very popular here. I’m talking about the vast majority of the rest of America, the ones that voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Dummies last election.”
Vast majority? I don’t think it’s that bad. The utmost efforts of the left combined with the fecklessness of the Republicans and election fraud on an unbelievable scale to lose the pubbies the majority. I don’t think that adds up tgo a vast majority.
Besides, the way this plays to idiots has little to do with whether or not it’s the medicine we need.
“Mr. Horn’s case will be used by the left as a prime example of the need for stricter gun control, beyond handguns and “assault rifles” and now extending to shotguns and all other types of weapons.”
Yes, of course they will squeal, and it is up to us to show that the reason they’re so afraid is that the seeds of their defeat are seen in incidents such as this.
“I’m not calling for a pragmatic approach to win votes, but this case just bothers me as a clear example of a man who, much like Officer Gardner of the Utah Highway Patrol, was much too eager to pull the trigger.”
No comparison. In the one case, the man was an ordinary citizen quibbling over a traffic ticket, in the other it was two dangerous felons. The only way Horn could have been too quick on the trigger was if he had shot these two before they went in the house.
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