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Credit Card Bills Deliver a Shock
Portland Oregonian ^ | 12/05/2007 | Laurie Kellman

Posted on 12/10/2007 12:34:11 PM PST by ex-Texan

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To: Portnoy; BurbankKarl; stephenjohnbanker; Obadiah; dfwgator; Virginia Ridgerunner; M. Espinola; ...
The Truth is Out There ! Really ! . . . Watch this video.

Wall Street owns some BIG banks. Bankers own credit card companies. Credit card companies really do throw away incoming mail. Some reports says they destroy bags full of incoming mail every month. Why? To make more money.

$$$$$$$ !

81 posted on 12/10/2007 1:27:08 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: SGCOS
Wow. Is that a normal fee for a Discover card?

Chase Auto charges me a $10 fee if I want to submit my payment online or do it over the phone. They can eat my check in the mail each month those friggin' jerks.

Also, my local DMV charges $3.00 to process a renewal over the web. Another friggin' insult.

82 posted on 12/10/2007 1:29:13 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Democrats In Control! (Where's my friggin' free stuff?))
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To: knuthom
I use my Amex for everything because I don't like writing 20,000 checks every month.

Mortgage payments, insurance premiums, etc. are on bank payment auto-pilot. In fact the mortgaqe payment is semi-monthly; it knocks one year off the 15 year 4.78% loan.

83 posted on 12/10/2007 1:29:44 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ex-Texan

Which is exactly why I pay on-line and I do not get charged for doing so. BTW, utility companies do the same thing.


84 posted on 12/10/2007 1:29:46 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: SoDak

What if they don’t?

What if they say you were negligent with your card?

What if they try to say it’s your fault?

While they fiddle, your money is not available.

Happened to my sister this year. It took forever for the bank to admit fault and meantime my sister needed a lot of help to make her house payments, car payments, etc.

By the time the bank decided to put her money back, she’d already given up on them and started anew at another bank with money I gave her to start over with.


85 posted on 12/10/2007 1:30:12 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: SoDak

Debit cards were different. It may be different now that many are VISA.


86 posted on 12/10/2007 1:30:58 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Gorzaloon

“...so I am hunting for another card.”

Try a debit card. It’s amazing how much money one can “make” that way. I then can buy something of equal value and pocket the interest. When I wish to buy something, or need something, I save the money for it. After using the debit card, I figure what the interest would be had I charged it and pay myself payments over the length of time it would cost to pay off the charge. It’s amazing how rich one can become being one’s own banker.


87 posted on 12/10/2007 1:32:15 PM PST by texaslil (LOL)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

“Chase Auto charges me a $10 fee if I want to submit my payment online or do it over the phone.”

Weird. Not me. Must be according to what your state allows.


88 posted on 12/10/2007 1:33:46 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Dianna
Unless the contract stated that the company reserves the right to raise rates if the user goes below some FICO number, then this is nonsense. It sickens me that I have to agree with democrats.

I have a bigger problem with the credit reporting agencies and how FICO works.

A couple of dirty little secrets credit card companies and reporting agencies don't want you to know:

1) Every time someone does a credit check on you, it's a negative on your report. It doesn't matter if it's for a refinance, a car loan or for car insurance. It's a ding against you.

2) When you're doing a major home project/remodel, do NOT go for the 0% financing offered by home improvement stores/companies with the idea of rolling it into a refinance or home improvement loan. Not only does the credit check count against you, but when you DO go after a consolidation loan, you won't get a decent interest rate because of how FICO works. All those balances -- whether or not you've paid them on time every time -- will go as negatives and refinancing companies don't consider you're rolling them into a loan. Our credit was damaged by this and we're still working on cleaning it up. It was made all the more difficult by the high interest rates and dings on our credit.

Until there's an outcry to re-evaluate the way credit is reported and calculated, the consumer will always take a hit. An expensive one, too.

89 posted on 12/10/2007 1:34:06 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: ex-Texan

Chase raised my wife’s interest rate on a card she’d had for more than 6 years by more than 10% AFTER we bought a house. Her score is in the 700s. Our business went elsewhere. Scheisters!


90 posted on 12/10/2007 1:34:28 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Graybeard58
Why would you pay 42 cents for a 41 cent stamp?

You're still $7.58 ahead.

91 posted on 12/10/2007 1:35:36 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: ltc8k6

It’s written into Visa’s contract with the bank. Make one call to Visa and they will enforce it even if things aren’t ironed out yet. I work in banking, they MUST replace the money within the contract time.


92 posted on 12/10/2007 1:37:52 PM PST by SoDak
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To: ex-Texan

“The reason they cite is that the customer’s credit rating has fallen elsewhere”

I highly doubt they said “elsewhere”. Where is this “elsewhere”? Never herd of it. How do I find out my “elsewhere” credit score? I would like to know if it is higher or lower than my normal credit score.


93 posted on 12/10/2007 1:37:58 PM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Kieri

1. Yes and No. Up to about 6 per year has a negligible effect, and more than that is still relatively minor if your credit is otherwise good. If your FICO is 720 you can have 10 inquiries and still pull a 712. You are correct but the effect is less than people think it is.

2. Again, it depends how much. For Revolving accounts, it matters. If it’s an installment loan, not so much. Revolving account=a credit card or credit line you can “draw” from...an installment loan is just a loan for a set amount of money you then pay back. For a revolving account, take the total balance you have or think you’ll have on ALL revolving accounts, divided by the limits on all open revolving accounts together. If under 20% you’re good, under 50%, OK.

It depends how good overall your credit score is beforehand.


94 posted on 12/10/2007 1:39:03 PM PST by RockinRight (Bill Clinton + Jimmuh Carter + Pat Robertson + Gomer Pyle = Mike Huckabee)
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To: ltc8k6
Happened to my sister this year. It took forever for the bank to admit fault and meantime my sister needed a lot of help to make her house payments, car payments, etc. By the time the bank decided to put her money back, she’d already given up on them and started anew at another bank with money I gave her to start over with.

The bank could be held liable for the fallout in her financial life for breach of their contract with Visa if this is the case. I've seen this happen. Perhaps she should contact an attorney.

95 posted on 12/10/2007 1:40:38 PM PST by SoDak
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To: JohnLongIsland
I really don't get why they would charge a fee for paying on line. It has to be cheaper than processing paper pay. They do it because they can I suppose. Why to some and not to others?

I have never been charged a fee by my bank on line account or any of my 3 credit cards - AMEX, Visa and Discover.

96 posted on 12/10/2007 1:43:45 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Unassuaged

No, I mean pay off - we pay off our credit card debts totally every month.


97 posted on 12/10/2007 1:43:56 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: AlaskaErik
I use my two credit cards for anything and everything. But I also pay them off in full at the end of the month.

Hmmm.. You folks don't know how to use credit.

I buy whatever I want on my credit cards during their zero percent for one year introductory rate, and then roll the balance over to another card just as the year is about to expire, pocket the rewards, rinse and repeat.

Borrow 10K for free? I'll take it.

98 posted on 12/10/2007 1:44:20 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: dakine
Everyone on FR has “above average” children, perfect teeth, no debt, and their &#*# don’t stink....at least they always show up to relay that fact....hahaha

Reminds me of any of a number of televison program threads. Always a few who state that they got rid of their television around 1967, and haven't watched anything since. (And you'd be better off if you got rid of yours too, by gawd.)

99 posted on 12/10/2007 1:44:43 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: dakine
I’m not going to pretend I’ve never had credit card debt. I went on an extreme “debt diet” to reverse course and I’ve counseled friends whose credit card problems were much worse than mine. I learned that people should go to nonprofit credit counseling agencies and get help putting on the brakes as soon as they get into trouble. Your credit rating will be hurt in the short run, but you’ll be able to get off the pay-the-minimum-and-watch-your-debt-load-climb treadmill. People should get help getting their credit cards under control before they are so desperate that they stop paying their bills. What happens then is that you rack up charge-offs on your credit report. These are virtually impossible to remove, and trying later to pay charged-off accounts actually can hurt your credit, so the best you can do is wait seven years for the charge-offs to drop off your reports (and hope you don’t get sued in the meantime). So, for those freepers out there who are, like me, imperfect: go to a nonprofit — the for-profit places are often scammers — credit counseling service ASAP.
100 posted on 12/10/2007 1:45:33 PM PST by utahagen
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