Which Democrat's Health Plan Really, Truly Covers More People?

Wall Street Journal ^ | 5 December 2007 | LAURA MECKLER

[shrinkermd]

There are only 8-9 million people uninsured because:

The facts in this matter have been laid out by Dr. David Gratzer. You can find a discussion of these facts in his book, The Cure: How Capitalism can save American health care.

Gratzer’s conclusions on the number of uninsured are as follows:

• The 46 million figure is an estimate of “point prevalence” of those uninsured. At a given point in time this figure is correct, but people do transfer from one insurance company to another. In a given year there are only 21-31 million uninsured for the entire year.

• Twenty percent of these are not citizens. About one third of all households without insurance have incomes of $50,000 a year or more and 16% have incomes of $75,000 a year or more.

• Since 2003 the alleged percentage of uninsured has been 14-15%; however, if you correct for those who are eligible for Medicaid and have not applied, illegal aliens and those with high incomes who refuse to pay for health insurance you probably are talking abut 7% of the population who are actually uninsured at any given point in time.

• Statistics done on length of time uninsured document that only 13% of those uninsured have been so for 12-24 months and only 16% have been uninsured for longer than 24 months. Most find insurance in four months (45%) with another 26% finding insurance from 5 to 12 months. The point is, many of the “uninsured” find ways to remedy the situation.

• All told, the chronically uninsured are no more than 8.2 million. A conservative estimate then would suggest that over a year’s period of time a full 93% of all Americans either have or will have health insurance.

[jocko12]

NONE

[Graybeard58]

Here’s my health care plan:

Get the government out of health care period.

(Should I have put a (.) after the word period? - Seems redundant)

[upchuck]

Yada, yada.

In all the give and take, back and forth, he said, she said, we said, etc., ad nauseam, let us remember one important thing. All these folks are socialists. And socialists, by their very nature, want to government to super micromanage your life.

Making us dependent on the government for our health is a hugh step in (their) right direction.

[Boundless]

Universal health care becomes ...

... health care rationing, almost immediately.

Then there is the other shoe,
controlling your behavior to reduce care expenses.

For example, a study will be funded that “proves”
that listening to talk radio raises your blood
pressure. Can’t have that.

[RipSawyer]

It is just like all Democrat primary campaigns, a contest to see who can be the biggest violator of the Constitution, and then if one of them is elected he or she will unashamedly swear to uphold what they have been promising to destroy. The worst part is that they do it unconsciously, I think I would prefer that they have some understanding of their own evil, or am I missing something?

[theBuckwheat]

One thing is certain: it costs will be covered by all taxpayers.

[Jim Robinson]

"None of the Republican candidates has proposed a universal health plan."

Oh, yeah? What's RomneyCare? Swiss cheese? Hmmmmm.... nevermind.

[goodnesswins]

I’d like to know what “TRULY COVERS” means......

[boop]

"One thing is certain: it costs will be covered by all taxpayers."

Yep. I'm trying to find that single example where uninsured people are "refused care". Uninsured people come into my office all the time. They agree to pay for the care they receive. In a lot of cases they just don't feel like paying anything, so everyone else already has to make up the difference with higher costs. No different than shoplifting. Adding a layer of government doesn't make this any cheaper for those of us already paying for the deadbeats.

[MAexile]

(Should I have put a (.) after the word period? - Seems redundant)

I’m from the Department of Redundancy Department...

[Tigermoth]

Statistics done on length of time uninsured document that only 13% of those uninsured have been so for 12-24 months and only 16% have been uninsured for longer than 24 months. Most find insurance in four months (45%) with another 26% finding insurance from 5 to 12 months. The point is, many of the “uninsured” find ways to remedy the situation.

Yeah right. I've been without health insurance for 9 years. My employers don't offer it, and I can't afford it. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. Clinton ruined it in the '90s.

[highimpact]

Yeah right. I've been without health insurance for 9 years. My employers don't offer it, and I can't afford it. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. Clinton ruined it in the '90s.

The system wouldn't be broken if the government would allow people to pool across state lines to access more options at more affordable rates. Competition works.

Solutions:

1. Open your own business and buy your own da*m insurance. If you think the government or your employer has the responsibility to pay for your healthcare, move to Cuba.
2. Sell your TV, your computer, and your car. Opt for insurance instead of the Internet, McDonalds, or Cable TV. You make choices, your employer makes choices, and I make choices. In other words: prioritize.

[darkangel82]

ping

[Tigermoth]

I completely agree about being able to pool around state lines. And allowing small businesses to pool together as well.

I cannot afford health insurance. I have pre-existing conditions that make it impossible, and I’ve talked to many insurance agents and providers. I’d have to do without eating and living under a roof to afford it.

Self employment doesn’t change those issues either. *shrugs*

[highimpact]

“....I have pre-existing conditions...”

My wife is in the same boat. She had 5 surgeries on her right knee 15 YEARS AGO!! She can’t get insurance on that knee...period.

Profiling is okay if you’ve had a surgery, had a heart attack, or crashed a car, but it’s not okay if you’ve attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan...

[Graybeard58]

I’m from the Department of Redundancy Department...

Then you always key in your P.I.N. number at the A.T.M. machine.

[XR7]

http://www.break.com/index/hillary-farts-during-debate.html

[socialismisinsidious]

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[socialismisinsidious]

No different than shoplifting.

Bingo. People have been conditioned and collectively brainwashed to believe that health care is a "right" therefore they shouldn't have to pay for it. Many of these same people will say they despise socialism and they would never dream of screwing any other small business, yet they have no problem sticking it to a medical office or jumping on a "free" health care program. Health care is so expensive you know! -- Ignore the cable t.v., gymnastic lessons, expensive toys (for kids as well as mom and dad), cell phones, take out food, etc....