Posted on 12/04/2007 11:44:21 PM PST by Plutarch
Austrolopithicine must have become extinct within the last 3000 years. Many of the dynos are still here. Plesiosaurus is still in the Pacific ocean, as is coelacanth. Pterosaurs still fly in New Guinea, and lapidodendron still grows there. Many species of dynos were alive during the period that the Inca dominated South America, as is proven by the engraved images on stones found there.
You truly are delusional. Your "belief" has nothing to do with reality.
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It was a simple question that you got wrong. The beams of light are only separating at the speed of light, not twice the speed of light : ) I don't care what frame of reference you use, they all have to observe that fact.
Why don't you do us all a favor and spend some time really trying to understand what the theory of relativity is all about before you accuse us of not understanding. When you do understand you will realize that Russell is out to lunch, literally : )
Keep ignoring the evidence, that’s what you do best.
Why don’t you do yourself a favor and learn exactly what an event horizon is, with regard to the propagation of information.
You're not paying any attention to what I'm saying. You just jump from random spot to random spot without regard to anything I've said. The light becomes shifted because space is expanded, thus the photons arrive at increased intervals, just as a series of dots on a rubber band occur at wider spacing if you stretch the band.
And did not each species evolve according to its kind after the Fall and after the Flood? Are there not now many thousands of species where once there were primordial kinds. So how is it my ‘cognitive limitation’ to ask what timetable you give for the spreading of life from the posited single location of creation or dispersal at those two specific times? And was it not a fruitful question? Apparently Noah took Dinosaurs on the Ark according to e-s’s Dynotopian theology.
And did not each species evolve according to its kind after the Fall and after the Flood? Are there not now many thousands of species where once there were primordial kinds. So how is it my ‘cognitive limitation’ to ask what timetable you give for the spreading of life from the posited single location of creation or dispersal at those two specific times? And was it not a fruitful question? Apparently Noah took Dinosaurs on the Ark according to e-s’s Dynotopian theology.
Even a broken clock is right two times a 24 hour period, as the saying goes. Now when was Lucifer created, because we are told that he was in the Garden of Eden, as was Christ, represented as trees. And when did Satan rebel and draw a third of the sons of God against God, certainly has not happened since the days of flesh man. When was Satan given the death sentence for his rebellion? Why does Solomon say that the former things are not remembered? Now I think there would be a record of a 'super'natural war were all these things to have happened since the Garden of Eden, but there is none. The record is found planted all over this earth that something akin to a big bang alright has taken place.
Job 38 God asks Job where he was when all this 'the beginning' creating was taking place, and if he remember the morning stars singing together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This sons of God is speaking NOT of flesh bodies but of the soul and of course their spirit intellect, long before that soul/spirit were placed in flesh bodies.
Jeremiah is told that he was known before he was ever in the womb, Esau was hated and Jacob loved before they were ever born to do good or evil. Paul says some are predestined to do and be, now when did this predestination take place.
Was there more than one primordial soup bowl? Tracing or discovery of commonality of a single cell in all species, does NOT cancel out a Creator. See this is where the science of evolution becomes its own religion. Life is a bunch of cells working together Literally all cells do not work together, there are some cells that kill other good cells. Now those killer cells might have evolved from the days before the Garden of Eden but the first cells created by the hand of God were the 'good' ones.
I have a very good idea of what an event horizon is and why according to Hawkings no information is lost.
May I suggest the book, Relativity, by Einstein. It is hard to explain things to you when you lack a basic understanding of the subject.
The reason it seems to you that I am jumping around randomly is because you don't have the background to understand what you are talking about.
I think what you are trying to explain with your dots on the rubber band is the well known doppler effect or what astronomers call red shifting. That is how astronomers can tell how fast and in what direction an object is moving away or towards the earth. That is how astronomers determined that the universe is expanding and expanding at an increasing rate. The universe is not static, or surrounded by water :)
No it doesn't and I didn't say that it did : ) It does cancel out the validity of the creation story in Genesis though.
See this is where the science of evolution becomes its own religion. Life is a bunch of cells working together Literally all cells do not work together, there are some cells that kill other good cells. Now those killer cells might have evolved from the days before the Garden of Eden but the first cells created by the hand of God were the 'good' ones.
Let me clarify. The cells in your body with your DNA are all working together unless they screw up and we call that screwup cancer. Certainly there are other life forms (cells) hanging around and their best interests may not be your best interests.
So if God created the 'good' ones who created the killer cells? Or do you think that part of this world was created by God and part wasn't?
I have the book.
In your twisted view of GR, I could be transmitting the scores of the last NFL game to my friend in his spaceship headed to Venus, and it might take a minute to get to him, but if i also sent them in the opposite direction to my friend in another ship headed toward Jupiter at the same time, it would increase the lag time to the first ship to two minutes. Brilliant!
Many do make that assumption, but without a shred of scriptural evidence. The logical assumption would be that Satan's rebellion occurred between the creation of Adam, and their first sin. One of the reasons that this is the only logical assumption is that at the end of the creation, the word says that God saw that "It was very good," which could not have been the case had Satan already defected at that point.
"Job 38 God asks Job where he was when all this 'the beginning' creating was taking place, and if he remember the morning stars singing together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This sons of God is speaking NOT of flesh bodies but of the soul and of course their spirit intellect, long before that soul/spirit were placed in flesh bodies."
No orthodox Christian, or Jewish sect holds the belief that you expressed there. Our souls and spirits were produced by the union of our parents at the time of conception. We were not there at the beginning. God 'foreknew' us at the beginning, but men are not individual creations; only the angels and Adam were individually created. This is why the term "sons of God" as used in the OT is never in reference to men.
No species ever evolved. God’s word tells us that fact more than 100 times in the old testament alone, along with Christ telling us that in the NT.
It doesn't do you any good unless you read it : )
In your twisted view of GR, I could be transmitting the scores of the last NFL game to my friend in his spaceship headed to Venus, and it might take a minute to get to him, but if i also sent them in the opposite direction to my friend in another ship headed toward Jupiter at the same time, it would increase the lag time to the first ship to two minutes. Brilliant!
LOL you really don't have a clue do you? Direction doesn't really matter and some observers can even see events happen in different orders. What you seem to be overlooking is the fact that the 'time' is different for all of the observers.
I will cut you some slack. Grasping the fundamentals of the Theory of Relativity is tough. Very few people can actually visualize the concept. Most of us (myself included) simply have to follow what the Math says, it is not an intuitive concept at all. QM at least for me is more intuitive.
Why don't I give you similar but possibly easier question. Lets say you have an astronaut traveling at 99.99% of the speed of light. Now he turns on a flashlight and shines it forward and another flashlight he shines backwards. From the perspective of the astronaut what is the speed of the two lights? Extra credit question, what does a stationary observer off to the side see? A hint, what is the clock rate for a beam of light?
Since EM energy always propagates at approx. C, assuming an unwarped space, the motion of the source is irrelevant to th propagation of the beam. Are you using imaginary light that can be seen from the side? It's comical that you don't grasp that without the transmission of coherent information, none of your questions have validity.
"Direction doesn't really matter and some observers can even see events happen in different orders."
That is the first thing that you gotten close to correct. In almost all cases, observers in diverse locations will see events happen in different orders, if they see them at all.
No it doesn't and I didn't say that it did : ) It does cancel out the validity of the creation story in Genesis though.
I have no doubt that one day you will get to file that compliant - God your Genesis account is not valid.
Let me clarify. The cells in your body with your DNA are all working together unless they screw up and we call that screwup cancer. Certainly there are other life forms (cells) hanging around and their best interests may not be your best interests.
Do not all cells die off when the flesh body dies, all of the good ones and the bad ones? So what is left?
So if God created the 'good' ones who created the killer cells? Or do you think that part of this world was created by God and part wasn't?
Interesting question. What I think is that God created all things good in that first heaven/earth age. When the most beautiful of beauty and intellect (tree of the knowledge of good and evil) decided he would and could take God's place that age ended. This age beginning with what we are told in the Genesis account of the soul/spirit getting placed in a flesh body for all who would (and not all have) go through this age in flesh. The Genesis account is about 'the' Adam from the day after the 7th Day of rest, his generations, tracing the seed-line from which Christ would come as foretold.
Now do you know why Russell is wrong? And why your first answer was wrong?
Are you using imaginary light that can be seen from the side? It's comical that you don't grasp that without the transmission of coherent information, none of your questions have validity.
These are thought experiments, designed to help you understand GR. Simply transmitting a light beam is sending coherent information by the way :) You need to understand the basics before we go on to the complicated fun stuff : )
Still waiting for the answer to my 2nd set of questions. Just saying that motion is irrelevant doesn't answer the question.
Jeremiah, Paul, Peter etc., etc., others are the scriptural evidence that Satan's rebellion occurred in the first heaven/earth age, which is the reason why God placed man in flesh. Ezekiel says that Satan was in the Garden of Eden and he had already been sentenced to death when he was in the Garden. After all he was called the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil' and whispered this knowledge into Eve's ear. Paul says that satan 'beguiled' Eve in the garden..... that word 'beguiled' has an interesting meaning.
There is no doubt that when God created satan he was good, however, as Ezekiel and Isaiah describe satan became so filled with himself that he decided he would be god. It is written that he drew a third of God's children away from God, and that is the reason he was given the death sentence and he would never be born of woman to walk this earth as a flesh being.
No orthodox Christian, or Jewish sect holds the belief that you expressed there. Our souls and spirits were produced by the union of our parents at the time of conception. We were not there at the beginning. God 'foreknew' us at the beginning, but men are not individual creations; only the angels and Adam were individually created. This is why the term "sons of God" as used in the OT is never in reference to men.
I had to leave 'organized' religion to discover what was actually written. Interesting that even to this day the term 'fig leaf' still represents something hidden, so no biggggggie about being out of the mainstream of organized religions. God says alllll souls belong to him, now how could that be if they only come into being after sex.Satan was called a man but the Hebrew word for his kind of man was NOT the same Hebrew word used for man when the subject is the Adam. The term 'son's of God is not talking about flesh beings. Now why did God cause a flood to remove those who took daughters of the Adam to wife????
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