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Iran NIE Is Not A Typical Intel NIE
The Strata-Sphere ^ | 12-04-07 | AJ Strata

Posted on 12/04/2007 8:31:53 PM PST by jrooney

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To: jrooney
Is the timing of these old Clinton hands coming out with this stuff tied to the coming election? Hmm,….

My guess? Yes.

21 posted on 12/04/2007 8:59:19 PM PST by GOPJ ("Imagine the Outrage if FOX had Fixed a “debate” like this??" Freeper bray -- "CNN Sucks" - GOPJ)
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To: jrooney

Yeah, BOR is so busy listening to his own voice that he is unable to listen to what Bolton had to say. BOR is never wrong /s


22 posted on 12/04/2007 9:06:31 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: jveritas

Or maybe this is another attempt by Clinton allies still in the government to make Obama look bad. Didn’t Obama want cut and run in Iraq but bomb Iran a few months back?


23 posted on 12/04/2007 9:06:44 PM PST by JLS
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To: jveritas
I'll take John Bolton's word on this.

The actual report sure as hell seems cover your a$$ vague with a lot of "we assess with moderate confidence" and "we continue to assess with low confidence". Give me a break!

The list of "Whoa, didn't see that coming" from our alphabet intelligence agencies: 9/11

NK nuclear test

Indian nuke test

Pakistani nuke test

Collapse of the Soviet Union

Kadeer Kahn's nuke bazzar

The clintons and the chinese

The libyan nuke project

Just where the hell are saddam's wmd?

24 posted on 12/04/2007 9:08:32 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: jrooney
"A highly controversial, 150 page National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran’s nuclear programs was coordinated and written by former State Department political and intelligence analysts — not by more seasoned members of the U.S. intelligence community, Newsmax has learned."

Oh, really?

International Security Advisory Board (ISAB)

The Secretary of State's International Security Advisory Board (formerly called the Arms Control and Nonproliferation Advisory Board (ACNAB)) provides the Department with independent insight and advice on all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy. The ISAB is sponsored and overseen by the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. The Board provides its recommendations directly to the Secretary of State. The Board currently has 18 members and is chartered to have up to 25. Board members are national security experts with scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds. The Board meets in a plenary session on a quarterly basis.

Updated: August 13, 2007

Former Board Members
* Mr. Stephen Kappes, Member, September 2005 -- December 2006
* Dr. Amy Sands, Member, September 2005 -- June 2007
* Sen. Fred D. Thompson, Chairman, September 2005 -- July 2007



25 posted on 12/04/2007 9:16:51 PM PST by familyop (No-vote in 2012, 2016,...)
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To: jrooney

thls thing is a joke. State has zero business dealing with Intel matters. The sooner they are taken out of the loop the better.


26 posted on 12/04/2007 9:21:35 PM PST by SCHROLL
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To: jrooney; All

I didn’t trust the information being reported regarding this alledged NIE in the first place. Too many enemies of Bush and his administration looking for any way to take him down and not caring about the damage they will do to our national security along the way.


27 posted on 12/04/2007 9:23:01 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: familyop

Advisory is not prepatory. Did you read the post? Maybe there is a real good reason then why Fred Thompson said he doubts the NIE findings because he saw intel that said otherwise.


28 posted on 12/04/2007 9:25:00 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: SoldierDad

Sick, but true.

All for the love of power.


29 posted on 12/04/2007 9:26:40 PM PST by dadgum (Ibrahim Hooper is a closet transvestite)
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To: dadgum

Yep, and these power hungry A-holes are placing the entire country at risk.


30 posted on 12/04/2007 9:29:05 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: Eagles6

Do we have enough time.. to mobilize a John Bolton write-in in the primaries? Probably not, too bad.


31 posted on 12/04/2007 9:29:28 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: jrooney

The Administration has the appointees that it and its import/merchant constituency leaders want. Apparently, so will the next one—Democrat or Republican.

I want a government that obeys its duty to defense of our Nation—not one that is obsessed with very personal/familial considerations about oil, money and classical amenities.


32 posted on 12/04/2007 9:34:06 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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Yeah, I’m not getting it. The CIA has been screwing with the Bush Admn all along. One thing after another. Cant he get the Klinton people purged out? This NIE stuff is treasonous. Sedition at the least. If the CIA is this far gone I think really bad stuff is going to go down...


33 posted on 12/04/2007 9:37:48 PM PST by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Law is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: jrooney
From Atlantic Online:

[All this begs the question: If Iran were really succumbing to international pressure in halting its weapons program, why would it not do so in a way that would benefit the country? If it were to take the measures of ceasing enrichment and adopting transparency, the numerous sanctions and restrictions against it would be lifted. A key moment would have been nine months ago, when the UN Security Council enacted tough new sanctions against the country for failing to cooperate with the IAEA. But Iran made no concessions. So what has it gained in all this by the logic of U.S. intelligence? The NIE essentially claims that Iran has created for itself a lose-lose situation, where it has stopped its nuclear weapons program without reaping any of the benefits. Why would Iran have any interest in such a scenario? It is a question the NIE summary fails to address, and one that should keep us wondering about Iran’s true intentions and capabilities.]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712u/nie-iran

34 posted on 12/04/2007 9:41:42 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: jrooney

For what it’s worth, Ann Pincus, wife of Walter Pincus, worked at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) during the Clinton administration. Walter/Ann Pincus were friends of Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 9:43:02 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks

bump, Sir


36 posted on 12/04/2007 9:49:47 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: familyop; jrooney

familyop shows Fred Thompson had recently served on the ISAB and jrooney says in post #16 that Fred doubts the report is correct. I’d say that was more than just idle speculation on Fred’s part, then.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 10:01:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: jrooney

The Dems don’t realize that if they are WRONG, war becomes MORE likely, because the steam is now let out of any diplomatic pressure. Stupid, stupid.


38 posted on 12/04/2007 10:02:25 PM PST by cookcounty (Ja-pan Jack Murtha, The ex-Marine who thinks Okinawa is on his Middle East map.)
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To: cookcounty

eggsactly


39 posted on 12/04/2007 10:03:02 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: nuconvert; jrooney; jveritas; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve

40 posted on 12/04/2007 10:03:09 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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