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Protectionist Rhetoric Will Accelerate the Dollar's Slide
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | 11/20/2007 | David Leo Veksler

Posted on 11/29/2007 7:11:00 PM PST by LowCountryJoe

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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“So, here’s a question for you: I design consumer electronics - loudspeakers, in particular - for a living. I can get them entirely made in the US. Will you commit to buying your next pair of speakers from me, guaranteed to be made entirely in the US versus running down to Best Buy or Circuit City and picking up the $99 special? It’ll only cost you a few thousand dollars for a small pair of speakers...”

I have no problem with that. I buy hand made local stuff and go out of my way to buy made in USA every chance I get.

$99 speakers? I don’t think so. For some people at least....quality matters.


121 posted on 11/29/2007 8:56:57 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Now this:

“It’s called capitalism. Read about it some time - it actually works. It’s what this country was founded on.”

I simply not true, Locke was a High Tariffs advocate, he theorized that they would not only grow Nation based business, but also increase Patriotism.

He was right, Globalism also decreases the concept of Loyalty to pretty much everything but the bottom line.


122 posted on 11/29/2007 8:57:10 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I put a lot more money in the hands of Americans than I do in the hands of Chinese. I think I’m growing both economies, and using the Chinese to grow ours faster than they grow theirs.

It’s called actually understanding what Trade is.

I guess you don’t shop? I mean, be honest about it, you’re just helping to grow the bank account of the grocer, taking from the mouths of your own family to make his pocketbook fatter...


123 posted on 11/29/2007 8:57:37 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: taxed2death
But they are a necessary evil to stop people like you who would rather turn our country into a cesspool. Hey, maybe that will be more job security for you......you know... more kids with flippers....right?

You have no idea what I'd do. You also have no idea what many companies would do absent regulation. You're arguments mirror those made by Upton Sinclair and Eugene Debs...hardly conservative icons, bud.

124 posted on 11/29/2007 8:57:42 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: taxed2death

So what brand TV do you have? What car do you drive? Have a CD player, or cell phone?

You know, you CAN get purely-US built versions of each of those. Do you put your money where your mouth is?


125 posted on 11/29/2007 9:00:11 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: LowCountryJoe

“If I had a business and could put them to work making things that consumers wanted, I could probably make huge profits (which I’d profit share with them) by marketing the products and appealing to the consumer’s emotional aspect to the operation.”

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No brainer ace......

Can you “invest” $1000.00 for a student who has artistic talent? Would it be “acceptable” for one of your students to rake in $1000.00 a week in income?....probably working 30-40 hours a week?

I got ya covered.


126 posted on 11/29/2007 9:00:19 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Nice! But those that cannot learn are screwed. Did you have a good cry with your former employees as they were frog-marched out the door. Or were you one of those bastards who said, “Wow, thank God it wasn’t me, and good thing I no longer have to compete with that lot”? I have my suspicions.
127 posted on 11/29/2007 9:03:04 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“So what brand TV do you have? What car do you drive? Have a CD player, or cell phone?

You know, you CAN get purely-US built versions of each of those. Do you put your money where your mouth is?”

Hmm i’ll take your challenge

1. TV..bought used
2. Ride a Schwin/ drive suburban
3. CD player none, most modern music is CRAP, listen to old radio.
4. Cell phone? Hate those damnable devices wouldn’t have one.


128 posted on 11/29/2007 9:03:53 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“So you created a brand new job, no one ever worked in your field before”?

Nope.

“so you’re not competing with others, you don’t force down the costs charged by those in your industry?”

Nope...I’m the most expensive guy around here...

“Do you never try to out-work your competition? “

Out work? I work smarter, not harder.

“Do you price your quotes higher than your competition so you don’t take work from them?”

I price my work according to the job and my customer. If I’m in a bad mood and my customer is a tule...I price the job higher. If the customer is a decent bloke... I charge a bit lower.

I have an “a$$hole tax” to be sure.


129 posted on 11/29/2007 9:04:15 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: LowCountryJoe

That the best you got?... Insults?


130 posted on 11/29/2007 9:05:22 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a "Yankee Doodle Protectionist". A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam... Walton.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
20 Billion Dollars every month, is flowing from America to China.

Looks to me like they are all coming to Las Vegas and Macau and giving it right back at the baccarat tables. ;)

131 posted on 11/29/2007 9:05:22 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I’ve gotta get some sleep. I look forward to responding more on Saturday morning; maybe.


132 posted on 11/29/2007 9:05:31 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

LOL.

You do know Macau is China, right?


133 posted on 11/29/2007 9:06:50 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a "Yankee Doodle Protectionist". A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam... Walton.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You do know Macau is China, right?

You do know the casinos are privately owned right?

134 posted on 11/29/2007 9:08:03 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“So what brand TV do you have? What car do you drive? Have a CD player, or cell phone?”

This is embarassing...I do not watch much TV...LOL Last one I bought was Curtis Mathes....years ago.

Car. Dodge truck....made in St Louis way back when....

Cd player: nope MP3 (toshiba) as a gift.

Cell phone: motorola el cheapo


135 posted on 11/29/2007 9:09:11 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: padre35

SO no go on the brand of the TV... You know, by purchasing a used Sony or JVC you’re adding value to those brands by increasing the desirability of them in the used market.

Schwinn? Part of Dorel Corp, and the bikes roll out of factories in China. I’ve been to one of them in Su Zhou that makes the forks for quite a few of their models.

Radio - like a JVC, RCA, Sony, Pioneer?

Regular phone then - AT&T? Samsung? Panasonic?


136 posted on 11/29/2007 9:11:28 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
That the best you got?... Insults?

I've got time for one more. No, the best I got is the content that I reserve for those who wish to discuss the matter rationally and without hyperbole. Check out my prior posts, if you wish, and look for the ones where I provided specific answers to fears and misunderstandings. But don't just read my stuff. there are many good FReepers who post here that can explain this stuff even better than I can if you'd just be willing to read their opinions, ask questions of them, argue your own points intelligently, and keep an eye toward liberty and optimism always...as Reagan would have asked from us.

137 posted on 11/29/2007 9:11:47 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: antinomian

” “intensfy”

As [in to] concentrate, to put under stress through maximum effort?

Yes.”

So is that “why” productivity has increased for at least 5 years now, and yet wages stagnated until the last year or so?

Would that be “to put under stress through maximum effort”?


138 posted on 11/29/2007 9:12:14 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: antinomian

IIRC one Chinese guy owns most of it. Delicate balancing act between him, the Beijing government, and the Triads.

Asia is much different from America. Foreigners can own things outright in America. It makes us think that’s the way things operate elsewhere.

It’s not.


139 posted on 11/29/2007 9:12:42 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a "Yankee Doodle Protectionist". A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam... Walton.)
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To: taxed2death

OK, so an old CM TV.

Dodge truck - Mercedes Benz, German. No trade there!

Toshiba MP3. Check.

Motorola cell phone? Built in China.

Oh, and the computer you’re using? Most of the parts come from China or Malaysia, and the reason you can get a $300 new laptop is because of leveraging overseas production.

So about your job, it’s a brand new field that never existed before, and you have no one else in the field. Mind if I ask what the field is?


140 posted on 11/29/2007 9:13:37 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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