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Goldman ups U.S. '08 recession probability to 43% from 30%
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/goldman-ups-us-08-recession/story.aspx?guid=%7BDF49B61B%2DC52A ^ | 11-27-07 | Steve Gelsi

Posted on 11/27/2007 6:57:14 AM PST by Hydroshock

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To: Hydroshock

Forgot who said it, but “Wall Street has predicted 9 or the last 3 recessions.”


21 posted on 11/27/2007 7:21:21 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Someone else suggested a barometer was the sale of luxury goods, like boats. We’ll see how sales go at this winter’s boat shows around here...
22 posted on 11/27/2007 7:25:44 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washngton D. C.)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes charts are fun to look at.

The IBES Valuation Model and its obvious predictive value since 1979. It predicted the 1980s bull market. It predicted the 1987 stock market crash. It predicted at least one year in advance the bear market of 2000-2002. And it announced an end to that bear market in 2002 and has remained in an exceptionally bullish posture ever since. Remember, it's a market of stocks, but even as a whole it hasn't been this undervalued in 30 yrs.

23 posted on 11/27/2007 7:27:37 AM PST by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Actually, the US President works for Goldman Sachs. That's the only way everything we've seen adds up. ;)

Too true!

24 posted on 11/27/2007 7:30:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: petercooper
Oooohhh, I'm so impressed! LOL. So, tell us, where do you see the DOW on Jan 1, 2008? How about Jan 1, 2009?

Give us your best guess, and tell us if you're well invested in equities.

25 posted on 11/27/2007 7:32:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Hydroshock

Just in time for a democrat to save the day!


26 posted on 11/27/2007 7:32:20 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Can Goldman now start resuming their generous donations to the DNC candidates?

Goldman employees support both parties. The Treasury Secretary and White House Chief of Staff are both notable Goldman alumns, and neither Henry Paulson nor Josh Bolten has ever been accused of supporting Democrats.

27 posted on 11/27/2007 7:44:56 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Travis McGee

There is no “probability” about it. GS may not be able to figure it out from current data, but their ignorance does not equate with indetermanism. The CDO problem is not just going to evaporate tomorrow with another roll of the dice. We don’t get to go back 5 decades to Eisenhower or something and start over again.


28 posted on 11/27/2007 8:14:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: petercooper

The IBES valuation model compares the 12-month forward estimate earnings yield (earnings/price x 100) of the S&P 500 to the current yield of the 10-year Treasury note.

It is a model that has worked for the secular bull market running from 1982.

It presumes 2 things. That forward estimates of earnings of the S&P 500 in the model are accurate, but we are seeing lots of earnings “surprises” (so the street says). Second, the yield on the treasury note cannot exactly be considered “normal” as right now real yields on the note must be close to negative, unless we are in a deflationary period, which we could well be with the sucking sound of liquidity. In fact, one could argue treasury yields have not been normal since 2001, or so.


29 posted on 11/27/2007 8:23:14 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: NeoCaveman

oh BS.pure BS.................Goldman was throat deep in the Clinton’s planned dot.com crap in the 90’s

biggest bunch of liars and thieves not in jail


30 posted on 11/27/2007 8:39:26 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Hydroshock

Hasn’t this group already endorsed hitlery? If so, consider the source before believing the message.


31 posted on 11/27/2007 8:49:42 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: Alter Kaker

From what I remember in 2004 and 2000, and in the 90’s, the donations were quite lopsided.


32 posted on 11/27/2007 10:47:29 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Travis McGee
Yes invested in equities for the past 30 years. Mostly drips and funds which I dollar cost avg into while continuously reinvesting the dividends.

Have gotten into individual stocks the past 15 yrs and have done well. Remember 3 out of 4 stocks move with the general market-- do some digging and find the ones that make money and outperform the market. Or cower in fear at every negative headline that the media throw at you.

33 posted on 11/27/2007 10:53:10 AM PST by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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