Posted on 11/26/2007 8:46:56 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
Note: The article is from an Indian website.
I love the way that all the computer jobs are touted as “engineering” positions. This is crock. I am in the IT field and NONE are engineers. An engineer has to pass the EIT and PE tests to receive a LICENSE to be a REAL engineer. The rest are just “feel good” titles for IT people.
Better solution = put a floor on salary to be paid to H1B visa holders at local market value + 20% When the cheaper, foreign labor is not available, watch how quickly the companies snap up the supposedly unavailable US workers.
good, now go home!
There is strong protectionist thought process on FR which is based on the 1900’s. In this technology age, we are insane to let a MIT Ph.D from India go back. A big part of the tech boom is directly linked to H-1’s that got green cards starting a business here. Would you rather they do that in India ?
You can just kiss my elbow, I remember well the attorney on the TV giving the seminar on how to get around the H-1 visa requirments and turn it into a scam. So when you prove it is not BS and run the ones out of the country that scammed the system get back to me. Other wise this is just another back door amnesty program.
If they have no interest in joining with american culture and seeking permenent citizen status, then they are no asset at all.
Let’s see, I got a Master’s degree, then got a H-1 which led to a green card and then citizenship. Took me 10 years in all and I followed the complete legal process. How is that amnesty ? Your reaction is just knee jerk without understanding the issue. I am staunchly against illegal immigration and do not want amnesty in any way. However to call a PhD. from MIT that wants a legal H-1 work visa the same things as amnesty for an illegal who has broken the law by coming across the border is ludicrous. Controlled high quality legal immigration is a huge plus for America. Ask anyone in the tech industry, one of our biggest problems is the lack of qualified engineers to hire. I work for a Fortune 500 company and we have had 1,000 open positions for engineers for 6 months or more.
A very long windup for an amazingly pointless solution. The primary problem with the H-1B visas is that they are being "wasted" on intro level Visual Basic programmers instead of the high level cream of the crop they are advertised as.
The obvious solution is to cap the number of H-1B visas and then have companies bid for them. Being willing to pay $20,000 for a slot for a Indian doctoral level researcher wouldn't be very expensive. On the other hand it would be ridiculous to pay it for someone just out of tech school who can barely figure out how to line up buttons on a screen.
Everybody with a screwdriver in his hand, a train driver, or any technician in an apartment building who works for the custodian is called an engineer.
One has to have a minimum of a B.S. from a REAL ENGINEERING SCHOOL to be called an engineer, with or without a PE.
“Feel good” titles are without the “REAL GOOD” pay that goes with them.
That reminds me of the 25-year old VPs, senior VPs and executive VPs in companies they don’t own and with no experience in business.
Agreed. We want to keep this talent here in the US.
And I say this as one that was affected by the offshore transition of my job (I found another... making more money).
Keeping highly educated talent in the US is nothing but good for the US.
The problem is with illegal freeloader immigrants, let’s not spread our angst to the legal immigrants.
I agree with you.
If we need skilled people, degreed or not, we should make it easier instead of being dumped upon by every third world country.
One ironclad condition, though. Whatever it takes for a background check including home country fingerprinted police report obtained by Americans working with the authorities of said country. Immediate approval of the proper visa should be forthcoming for successful, approved immigrants with backgrounds.
Maneesh, I think you are right. The key to this is getting control of our borders and making sure those who come here are chosen by us, and have something to contribute THAT WE NEED. “Controlled high quality legal immigration” is what we were promised in 1965, and again in 1986 and 1996. The problem has been that the government has never lived up to that promise. And the effect of that, as you can see, is that so many people have come to reject the idea of immigration entirely. People feel like their country is being overrun. They are constantly exposed to people who come here and don’t want to live like we live, for instance, crowding a dozen people or so into a home that we would expect to hold a nuclear family of four or five. And they are constantly exposed to people who have brought their Old World problems here, and expect us to put up with them and deal with them. And then, of course, there are people who have immigrated here who hate our country and our Constitution, and want to impose their corrupt old traditions and religion on us. Bottom line is, IF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO ASSIMILATE, COMPLETELY, LANGUAGE, CUSTOMS AND LIFESTYLE, THEY SHOULD NOT COME HERE. And, realistically, not everyone in the world can come here, even if they are engineers. Some people need to stay home and build their own countries. Everything you say makes sense, but you have to take into consideration the way people who were born here are perceiving the situation.
I agree with you 100 %. The two-tired system we have is insane, in that we discourage lots of people we should be welcoming, yet turn a blind eye toward those ( especially criminal elements) we should be prohibiting.
The tighter we make the laws, the more we encourage the lawbreakers. Yet, you can't really blame us native Americans who feel like we're getting the short end of the stick here. We have been more than gracious and welcoming, yet are constantly called racists, greedy, and treated with second-class status in our own homeland, by our own government.
Anyone who saw that H-1B visa video has call to feel bad. So, you have to be a little understanding.
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