Philadelphia Gives Boy Scouts Ultimatum

Washington Post ^ | 11/19/07 | Dafna Linzer

[Non-Sequitur]

Like anything else, it depends on who you're dealing with. The organization is made up of members. Some follow the rules, some won't.

The national organization has made its position clear, and they have ordered Boy Scout troops disbanded for refusing to follow policies concerning homosexual or agnostic members. If local troops are ignoring membership guidelines then it's not being done with a wink and a nod from the national council. If caught they could have their troop charter revoked.

[SZonian]

You’re quite welcome. My son has aspirations of earning his Eagle and I’m doing my best to make sure he “earns” it.

SZ

[SZonian]

It’s not just the masters... it’s the boys as well. There ARE gay scouts.

No, it's not just leaders that are in direct contact Scouts. There are many adults who may come in contact with Boy Scouts throughout their trail to Eagle. The basis on which Scouting was founded is a moral one based on religious precepts, thus the Duty to God reference, the Morally Straight reference as well. If a Scout self-identifies or is identified as gay, they are not welcome as it is in violation of the Oath and Law. But the last time I checked, I haven't heard any reports of supposedly gay Scouts violating other Scouts.

The part of this argument that angers libs is the fact that Scouting is a religiously based program (which religion is of little relevance), libs want to secularize every aspect of our lives with no reference to morals.

Morals provide a compass in determining right and wrong. If morals aren't around, then why criminalize anyone's behavior? Killing someone wouldn't be a crime then would it?

SZ

[Non-Sequitur]

Where BSA and its Chartered units draw the line is in selecting leaders.

The Scout's position statement on homosexuality and the BSA states, "As a private membership organization, we believe our right to determine the qualifications of our members and leaders is protected by the Constitution of the United States." The Boy Scouts have, in fact, denied all requests made by their member toops to sign any form of non-discrimination agreement. The scouts appear very firm in their commitment to hold their membership to the same standards that they hold their leaders to, as well they should. Having taken their stand on the question of homosexuality, it would send a very mixed message to allow homosexuals in one area but not another.

[KC Burke]

I guess what I am trying to point out is that Scouting is about raising good young men and not an indoctrination program against a couple of narrow things.

During my 13 years involved, I saw careful troop and pack committees consider all sorts of character issues in selecting leaders. I did not however see them ignoring alchoholism or poor driving records to pursue sexual proclivities or poor religous attitudes. All character issues were considered.

I also saw fathers that weren’t regular participants attend events and if they adhered to policy, no one came up to John Doe divorcee and said, “Are you light in the loafers, or what...?” And I would have to say that once in a rare while we had a dad show up that probably had such a disorder. But, he was still a dad and allowed to show up at an event where his son was a participant, welcomed like any other.

Instead, to-deep-leadership was used to keep kids safe and make sure that good scout program prinicples are applied.

Likewise, I saw a scout or two that after his participation in scouting lead a disapated life in public sexual matters, drug and alcohol use or religous belief. I would like to think that the principles instilled in scouting may one day turn that person away from such poor actions.

Scouting is in no way formed in an anti-this or anti-that manner, but instead, is a broad prinicpled program to raise young men and prepare them for life in general.

I think most of us in our community know that we are sinners and are aware that most we meet are as well. We set standards for the principles taught in programs we support based upon an enduring moral order — not on who we want to exclude.

[JerriBlank]

“Voting Republican is fine, but you do have something in common with Hitler - He didn’t mind fags either.”

Well he certainly didn’t mind gassing them. Not morally straight enough, I guess. Luckily the world rejected his ideas... hey come to think of it.. soon you’ll have something in common with Hitler too!

Good luck!

[Godzilla]

Homosexuality is more than behavior. You can be homosexual without ever acting on it.

Wrong, homosexual activists never separate the act from their definition. You obviously haven't seen them flaunt it lately.

The city is subsidizing their rent.

By how much? ZERO The city is paying itself, that's laughable.

But not fair market value rent.

That's the city's tough luck, they made the deal.

No, the Scouts have policies to prevent adults from being alone with children at any time. That should be sufficient.

That doesn't matter to a child molester, time and time again in other arenas that hasn't prevented molestation, they know the work arounds. Secondly, these homosexual leaders would be unable to separate their identity (ie their chosen behavior) and would demand, from that position of authority, that the boys accept it and eventually experiment with it. Doubt that - see what they are doing in our schools.

Also, the non-discrimination extends to the scouts as well. This isn’t just about the leaders.

The scouts have a standard - morally straight - and it is a voluntary association - judged constitutional by the supreme court, that allows it to set both leader and member status.

The Philadelphia chapter of the scouts doesn’t even agree with the national organization... they WOULD allow gay scouts/scoutmasters if allowed. That’s what is really sad about this situation... the Philly scouts are caught in the middle.

Then those leaders are wrong and desire to operate contrary to the oath and code they profess to be teaching the boys. If these leaders want to work in an organization that endorses homosexuality, they can join the local gay scout chapter. But I seriously doubt that the leadership is as all for it as you indicate. Yes, the boys are in the middle because radical homosexuals want to force acceptance of their behavior upon all facets of society and see the Scouts not only as a target of fresh recruits to corrupt, but through their teaching of heterosexual manhood gays perceive them as a threat and must be destroyed.

[quant5]

WOW. The ACLU represented them Pro Bono. What a sick, twisted group the Socialists have become. Where is JFK when you need him? At least he had the understanding to dream of something bigger for mankind with the Apollo Program. What do we have now on the left? The goal of being able to rape children and get away with it. Disgusting pigs.

[mountainbunny]

You do all realize, don't you, that the Scouts in Philadelphia have tried to allow gays before: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32826

The local Scouts were okay with allowing gays. And by gays, be clear - they not only do not allow gay Scoutmasters, but they also do not allow gay scouts. They also do not allow Atheists.

Also: No one has answered this previously, so I'll ask again: If the City of Philadelphia is immoral and full of horrible libertines, why do the Scouts want their money? You can answer "well, they had a contract", but things change - discrimination is no longer legal and neither are contracts that allow discrimination, so that's really not a valid answer anymore.

But even if it is an answer, If the City of Philadelphia is so goshawful bad, why take their money?

Money comes with strings.If the money is dirty, and you consider yourself clean, why do you want the dirty money?

[JerriBlank]

Wrong, homosexual activists never separate the act from their definition. You obviously haven't seen them flaunt it lately.

I don't know how you know all these homosexual activists or why you're watching them flaunt "the act", but that's none of my business. It is perfectly irrelevant however... a homosexual is a homosexual whether they're acting on it or not.

Secondly, these homosexual leaders would be unable to separate their identity and would demand, from that position of authority, that the boys accept it and eventually experiment with it. Doubt that - see what they are doing in our schools.

I eagerly await reading your list of schools that demand homosexual experimentation.

But I seriously doubt that the leadership is as all for it as you indicate.

Well that certainly must strengthen your own certainty of correctness, if not your argument.

Philadelphia has a non-discrimination policy against gays. I think that's a good thing, and I hope the boy scouts work out an arrangement to stay. They are a wonderful organization for the kids.

[Godzilla]

don't know how you know all these homosexual activists or why you're watching them flaunt "the act", but that's none of my business. It is perfectly irrelevant however... a homosexual is a homosexual whether they're acting on it or not.

Then you must live in a bubble. They are in your face in many parts of California and Massachusetts for example. Can't even venture in those places during their 'celebrations' of their homosexuality because of their vulgarity, so stay in your bubble.

I eagerly await reading your list of schools that demand homosexual experimentation.

More Mr. Bubble time again huh. California recently enacted educational education and has pushed other policies which endorse and push the above. Also, take the time to read the context of my post, the homosexuals use the power and influence they gain from the position (teacher, scout leader or other) to push the experimentation. But there have been instances of demanding such, but then you must not read FR that closely to encounter those instances.

I think that's a good thing, and I hope the boy scouts work out an arrangement to stay.

Yep, politically correct to the end - to heck with the impact that gay recruiting will do to these impressionable young men and boys. Support a false civil right so that they can have access to molest and pervert these kids. Scouts are 110% correct in their stand, any you are wrong to endorse this imposition of perversion on them.

[JerriBlank]

Then you must live in a bubble. They are in your face in many parts of California and Massachusetts for example.

There is a lot of literature on the expressive tendencies of groups who feel oppressed. I suggest reading some, it's very interesting.

Research suggests that an "oppressed" mindset stimulates flamboyant responses.

Can't even venture in those places during their 'celebrations' of their homosexuality because of their vulgarity, so stay in your bubble.

Sounds like a gay version of Mardi Gras... but of course, it's only wrong when homos do it.

If you don't have evidence of gays systematically recruiting kids in school and demanding gay sex, then drop it. I've never seen such a story on FR, although I admit I don't search them out.

I DID grow up in NJ, and went to a HS school that had a gay/straight alliance... not to mention lesbian gym teachers. :) We didn't have any more or less gay kids than any other school...

[Godzilla]

There is a lot of literature on the expressive tendencies of groups who feel oppressed. I suggest reading some, it's very interesting.

Sorry, they are not repressed, but celebrated by MSM, liberals, and the cultural elite. I have better reading to occupy my time.

Sounds like a gay version of Mardi Gras... but of course, it's only wrong when homos do it.

I do not condone the activties surrounding Mardi Gras either.

I've never seen such a story on FR, although I admit I don't search them out.....If you don't have evidence of gays systematically recruiting kids in school and demanding gay sex, then drop it.

Lazy

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Just the top of the list. Maintain your happy thoughts about you lesbian gym teachers.

[JerriBlank]

Sorry, they are not repressed, but celebrated by MSM, liberals, and the cultural elite.

That's right, when Joe from Hometown USA is discovered to be a homosexual, he is instantly celebrated. It's a wonder everyone isn't gay by now.

What a unique perspective you've acquired.

Thanks for the list you've provided that doesn't prove your point about school kids being forced to engage in homosexual acts. I guess you must have been "overstating your case", which is common enough on this subject.

Anyway, I hope you don't waste too much time being annoyed about the gays, since the impact they have on your life should be about close to none.

Unless you're the closeted type. In that case... good luck!

[Travelgirl]

You can see what the homosexual agenda has had on JerriBank, but I don’t think she does. I don’t know why she and the homosexuals don’t start their own gay scouts, except they want to force it on others.

[Thumper1960]

The Twisted Sex which even remotely portrays itself as "religious" is much more perverted (in the miniminds of the liberal) than the Godless fornicating subhuman that would drool at the chance to violate an innocent boy who'd look to his scout leader for guidance.

I not so patiently wait for the day when liberals are put in their rightful place: a squalid concentration camp not imagined or feared since the days of Himmler and the Austrian Psycho.

[Godzilla]

I don’t know why she and the homosexuals don’t start their own gay scouts, except they want to force it on others.

They have to force it because it is power, power to recruit, power to shape opinion and power to deny any opposing opinion.

[darkangel82]

Don’t say that, those are the things that make us look bad.