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Pressure mounts to pardon Border agents
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071118/NATION/111180068/1001 ^

Posted on 11/18/2007 2:24:12 PM PST by dit_xi

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To: calcowgirl
Wes Clark is a weasel through and through, but on his worst day he's more publicly personable, more intelligent (in terms of raw intelligence, not common sense) and has a better speaking voice than the Duck Hunter. Sad, but true.

Wow! That is some real seething stuff comin' off your keyboard. Do you blame him for killing your cat, or something?

As the Prime Minister says at "question time" in the British Parliament: "I refer you to my previous reply" (#97).

101 posted on 11/18/2007 7:44:06 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: FOXFANVOX

The judge covered up the information. The lawyer for the government requested it, but does not get to make the decision.


102 posted on 11/18/2007 7:46:02 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: South40

A “crime” for which, if true, would warrant administrative diciplinary action not jail time.


Yep..... but it wasn’t reported and known about thus was going to be hid or swept under the table had the event not surfaced via another source. Not exactly a stellar performance by someone sworn to uphold the law. Had they reported the shoot they most likely wouldn’t have had these consquences arise. There would have been an internal investigation and that probably would have been it.


103 posted on 11/18/2007 7:46:06 PM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 45 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: South40
Moreover, its withholding and suppression of exculpatory evidence denied both a fair trial.

If that is the case, the appeal will be successful.

104 posted on 11/18/2007 7:48:48 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FOXFANVOX

Good Night, Sir. May God Bless You and Yours. Thank You for Your Service to Protecting the Freedoms of Our Nation. God looks after His Warriors.


105 posted on 11/18/2007 7:53:08 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: deport
It's easy for you to judge those who put their lives on the line in law enforcement. Have you ever been shot at or had the experience of chasing someone you think had a gun? I'm gussing not. So why not support those who have and do so daily instead of siding with those who are working to undermine their efforts?

These two were shafted. And this will forever be a stain on the bush administration's record. It's beyond pathetic to ask someone to face the responsibility and danger of such a job and then prosecute them for doing so. And there is absolutely ZERO excuse for any conservative to defend it.

106 posted on 11/18/2007 7:55:03 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If that is the case, the appeal will be successful.

Thinking or even knowing they will win theirr appeals does not make jail terms for law enforcement any easier.

107 posted on 11/18/2007 7:56:37 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: South40

Remember who enacted the law under which they were prosecuted?.... I haven’t heard a single elected official come forward to begin the process of amending the law they enacted that allowed this to happen. I have no use for rogue LEOs period. Sorry. LEOs have a tough job to do but going outside the law, rules of operation/procedure, etc aren’t things I respect in one of them.

Off topic but how did you like the outcome down in Homestead early this evening?.... I had a friend that was 84 that passed away in Aug. and he was an ardent JJ fan. I only wish he could have been able to see the win today.


108 posted on 11/18/2007 8:08:30 PM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 45 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: deport
For your reading enjoyment and for any who have sided with the corrupt bush justice department in the shafting these agents.
109 posted on 11/18/2007 8:11:00 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: deport
I lived in El Cajon, CA where JJ grew up. I attended Granite Hills High also, years earlier. So I'm quite pleased.

And who says they are rogue LEOs? You? Johnny Sutton? Johnny Sutton is a proven liar. On what do you base your opinion, his prosecution? Their illegally obtained convictions? Your best statement to date was they did not report the incident. You're willing to label them as rogue and send them to prison based on that?

110 posted on 11/18/2007 8:16:36 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: dit_xi

Ok...who is Johnny Sutton ?...Turns out he is just another joined at the hip Bush croney..in other words- an incompetent nincompoop of which POTUS seems to have appointed a few—such as: Secretary of the Navy-Donald C.Winter, former CEO FATCAT of Northrup-Grummon with ties to Murtha- mentioned here the other night in re the Haditha Trial thread...

Here is the Bio and the URL for Sutton’s bio from Wikipedia...his official Bio doesn’t spell out the Tx-Bush-Cheney-Gonzales connection as does the Wiki article..

[edit] Biography
Sutton graduated from the University of Texas at Austin with a bachelor’s degree in International Business in 1983 and then earned a Juris Doctor degree at the University of Texas School of Law in 1987. He then worked as a criminal trial prosecutor in the Harris County District Attorney’s Office in Houston. From 1995-2000, Sutton worked for then Governor Bush under Alberto Gonzales, then the governor’s general counsel, as the Criminal Justice Policy Director. With the election of President Bush, he worked with Gonzales and became coordinator for the Bush-Cheney transition team assigned to the Department of Justice where he served as Associate Deputy Attorney General. Bush nominated him to his current position on October 25, 2001, and his nomination was confirmed by the Senate.

On March 28, 2006 Gonzales named Sutton Chair of the Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Sutton


111 posted on 11/18/2007 8:32:34 PM PST by billmor
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To: dit_xi

Also- yes i feel the Border Patrol agents should be Pardoned and i also wonder why this thread has turned into a Hunter for President semi-thread...read the title article, it says to Pardon the Agents, not ‘elect Hunter’ or Fred or Bozo...


112 posted on 11/18/2007 8:34:48 PM PST by billmor
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To: South40

You have your opinion and I have mine regardless of whether you want to let me exercise that right. Honest LEOs follow the law and rules of procedure/operations and don’t try to hide their actions. Those that will break the law, circumvent the rules they are to follow don’t deserve to be on the force.

We have a legal process in this country and it’s in the appeals stage now for these two convicted felons. Should the jury verdicts be overturned for whatever reason then the process will have played its role just as if the appeals are denied. Until then they are convicted felons. If a pardon is granted then that is within the system also. Just not something I think should happen until the appellate process is complete.


113 posted on 11/18/2007 8:35:46 PM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 45 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: billmor

I’ll go one step further and guess that the message from POTUS to Cheney-to Gonzales-to Sutton- was to go light on the illegals and try and show them the US is treating them ‘fairly’....Yeah, by screwing to good BP Agents...all in order to secure the Hispanic vote...and all down the chain, it’s like ‘ Well son, that’s how politics works’...Oh yeah...and screw you to, sirs !

Gonzales is gone, Sutton should go next-immediately


114 posted on 11/18/2007 8:43:21 PM PST by billmor
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To: South40

If there is any truth to this, it would be in the appeal and the appeal would be successful.


115 posted on 11/18/2007 8:52:12 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: South40

Sutton is not a proven liar. R/C are not “proven” guilty, except beyond a reasonable doubt. But that is a lot more “proven” than the claims about Sutton.

If Sutton were proven a liar, he would be fired or face prosecution, as was Nifong.


116 posted on 11/18/2007 8:53:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: billmor

It would be funny if it wasn’t sad, people posting to blogs who nonetheless think they have the superior intellect to declare incompetent a man who was the CEO of one of the top 4 defense companies in our country, and who serves as the Secretary of the Naval forces of the strongest country in the world.

These obviously outstanding blog posters should consider being CEOs of their own major corporations, so great they must be.


117 posted on 11/18/2007 8:57:11 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: billmor

Yep, the leader of the free world is sitting around thinking “Let’s find a couple of good BP agents and frame them so we can show illegals how much we love them. Let’s set them up, get them to shoot their guns at an unarmed man, and cover it up, so we can prosecute them and throw them in jail.”

“After all, what else to I have to do, run a country of 300 million people, complete with two wars and the constant threat of terror attack?”


118 posted on 11/18/2007 9:02:23 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: South40

A complete and total lie.


119 posted on 11/18/2007 9:14:05 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’ll stand by my words...

As for the leader of a free country, when one or two of his political appointees makes very serious errors affecting the lives of career Marine Officers and enlisted men, and of good Law Enforcement officials, yes i will say something is wrong...You don’t right a wrong by sitting idly by and saying let the next guy do it...Something is wrong here and it needs correcting...or, as the radio guy says : Wake UP America !


120 posted on 11/18/2007 9:17:45 PM PST by billmor
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