Military rule will not quell Pakistan’s Islamists

The Financial Times ^ | November 15 2007 | Robert Templer

[sukhoi-30mki]

At last,somebody has showed what the Pakistani army & it’s Chief are really about.

[listenhillary]

Democracy returns and the Jihadists sweep into power with 60% of the vote and now have nuclear weapons, how cool is that!

Better buy more oil stocks on the way home today. Even Biden made a point of this in the debate last night.

[sukhoi-30mki]

That’s precisely the point this author wants to refute-there is no jihadi or Islamic party in Pakistan which has popularity beyond 15% of the electorate & all the Islamists are fragmented in Pakistan’s restive areas like Balochistan,the NWFP & Kashmir.

If you want Jihadis to get their hands on nukes-well we need to do nothing & allow the military to stay in power or behind the curtains-which will ensure Pakistan blows up.& then NukeMart will really be open & more than one jihadi will get his own nuke.

[listenhillary]

You had better be sure he is right is all that I’m saying.

[listenhillary]

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[sukhoi-30mki]

I’ve heard it from lots of others-including Pakistani journalists as well.

& even if he is wrong-what would you prefer??A single large Jihadi Nuke-state or a couple of fragmented “states” all with nukes???I don’t prefer either- but My point is that the latter is more likely to come about in the longterm if the Army continues to run the show.

[listenhillary]

Why now? What has made the situation unstable in the last couple of months?

Are there any connections to al-queda getting it’s rear kicked?

[Edit35]

If you want Jihadis to get their hands on nukes-well we need to do nothing & allow the military to stay in power...

And your proposal is .......

[sukhoi-30mki]

What do you mean right now???If you mean the situation as a whole-it’s the result of trying to keep everyone satisfied.Uncle Sam by handing over a few AQ lowlifes,the jihadis satisfied by keeping the India/Afghan terror tap running.....This situation was sure to come about given the way things have been going since Sept 11,2001 with insurgencies in the frontier provinces,Balochistan & the Army’s own terror proteges taking on their mentors.The catylst(s) were Musharraf’s agreement with Bhutto to share power as well as Nawaz Sharif’s abortive visit.Benazir knew Musharraf was in trouble,while Sharif was essentially being made into a martyr & upped her stakes putting Musharraf into a bind-leading to the current mess.

[sukhoi-30mki]

I really don’t have much of a proposal-other than changing the very nature of Pakistan.It’s an Army with a State,not a State with an Army.You can’t do that with the Army in the driver’s seat right??Any alternatives??

[airborne]

"-Democracy returns and the Jihadists sweep into power with 60% of the vote and now have nuclear weapons, how cool is that!-"

In any free elections, moderate secular parties would win about 70 per cent of the vote. Small nationalist parties might get another 20 per cent but the Islamist parties would win less than 10 per cent. Even when the military rigged the 2002 poll in their favour the Islamists only won 11.3 per cent, and they would have less support today because of their mismanagement in Baluchistan and the North-West Frontier Province.

Apparently not, if the writer is correct.

[listenhillary]

It seems to correlate with the timing of al-queda getting whacked pretty seriously and a change in tactics and location by al-queda or their allies.

I’m not claiming to be an expert, just asking questions.

[listenhillary]

The writers is funded by a group with Wesley Clarke and George Soros on their board. That makes one suspicious of their motives if their past actions are considered.

[airborne]

But the statistics given in the article, is accurate, give credence to the idea that we need to support the coming free elections.

Just please, don’t send Jimmy Carter to monitor things!

[Edit35]

Over the past 60 years, the US has overfed the military and starved democratic governments, giving them less than half the aid on average.

Pragmatically speaking, we should give a lot of leeway to any quasi-military regime who helps the US fight the murdering Jihadists, and supports the West in its effort to eradicate alQaeda.

Just as the Shah of Iran was a better option, so would a good West-supporting leader (quasi dictator) be a better option in today's world.

Some countries are not ready for a full blown democracy, sad to say.

Forcing it upon them would only make matters worse.

Lastly, Pakistan has a strong agreement with the US and Britain to allow US forces to take control of their nukes should the country fall into complete anarchy.

Is that agreement 100% ironclad?

Well, who knows. But it is a good sign that we will be able to prevent the worst from happening.

[Flintlock]

Sorry, boys and girls.
It looks like it’s either Mushey—or the Jihadists.
What fun.
Sooooo...........take your pick.

[G8 Diplomat]

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[G8 Diplomat]

In any free elections, moderate secular parties would win about 70 per cent of the vote.

Since Pakistan has never HAD free elections, how can you prove this point? Look at Iran--their moderate party, the Reformists, who tried to improve ties with America did win one election. But look who won the last one. Democracy isn't safe in Muslim nations, especially with nukes. In fact, in Muslim nations is there such thing as a secular party? Turkey is the only nation in the ME that is headed in a more secular, non-religious direction in its government. How do we know Pakistan is full of secularists who would run?

[G8 Diplomat]

oh yeah, another thing: Switching to democracy won’t automatcially stop the violence. Whether or not the army rules or elected politicians sit around debating, there are still AQ nuts blowing stuff up out there. It’s not the type of government that puts an end to it, it’s the willingness of the people in charge. If we could get someone, whether military or civilian, who is FULLY committed to fighting the Islamists to run Pakistan, that would be ideal. I hope the author is right about moderate parties winning such a high percentage of the vote, for the sake of Pakistan.