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Millions watch video of Taser death (Vancouver, Canada)
The Toronto Star ^ | Nov 15, 2007 | Terri Theodore

Posted on 11/15/2007 5:39:32 PM PST by fanfan

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To: restornu
The guy 40 year old guy was coming to live with his mother in Canada. He spoke no English. He had arranged to meet his mother in the baggage area, however the baggage area was a secure area that she could not enter.

He waited in the baggage area for 10 hours for her growing increasingly agitated.

His mother was trying to reach him or get a message to him for hours, but the airport staff said they couldn't find him.

He didn't speak the language. Couldn't find out what was going on. Didn't know where to go or what to do. I also wonder if he had other issues, and might have missed taking his meds while waiting for that long after a long flight from Poland.

It's a really messed up story to which the police came in at the tail end of and really couldn't have known what was going on. However, the officer that tased him sure seems to have had an itchy trigger finger.

121 posted on 11/16/2007 6:37:54 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: ferri
Your post #104. excited delirium. I do have plenty of time as possibly opposed to many posters. I will reference this much more than my first cursory reading. A lot has been said so far. An old country saying comes to mind. "Let cooler heads prevail".

I had seen an accident up my street to a wheelchair user. A vehicle had knocked him over. I almost lost it. Yelling "you have killed that poor devil". Only two young girls heard me. The local paper said he was in serious condition. Two weeks later he was at the local Tim Hortons - coffee as usual. He had bombed through a stop sign.

One lives and learns. We can all learn a lesson from this post on excited delirium. Perhaps good can come of this tragedy. I do hope the authorities will get this message.

122 posted on 11/16/2007 9:14:00 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: PLMerite

You have the story wrong. He mother told him she’d meet him in an area of the airport that she could not enter because it was secure. She waited for him outside of that area and when he never appeared thought he’d missed his flight and went home. He waited for hours on end on his own accord.


123 posted on 11/16/2007 1:41:04 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: School of Rational Thought

I said in a previous post that I did see the tape. I saw him throw a table towards passengers. I found out today he also tossed a computer. Definitely out of control.


124 posted on 11/16/2007 1:48:43 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: fanfan
Good Lord, what a cluster ****. This might sound whacked out , but would it have hurt to allowed Mom to page her son over the PA system in Polish?

Would it have been too much for him to have had a letter, (in English), requesting help locating his mother in the New Country? A rudimentary introduction letter on him would have prevented this mess.

Just some after the fact suggestions.

Back when I traveled abroad I found that a pencil and paper went a long ways in bridging the language gap.

125 posted on 11/16/2007 3:30:46 PM PST by csvset
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

“He waited for hours on end on his own accord.”

Somehow that still doesn’t seem to make it alright for them to just walk up and tase the guy without trying to communicate with him. I mean if the guy went up to an airport official with his hat in his hand I think they’d be obliged to get someone who could speak Polish.


126 posted on 11/16/2007 4:21:23 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Peter Libra
i have watched that video a couple of times now, and excited delirium does seem to fit to me. he was tased, but that isn't what killed him. he was still alive and moving around until they cuffed him and restrained him. just like the article said. :(

i understand there was an 'expert' of some sort on the news here this morning saying that excited delirium was just something for the cops for fall back on when something like this happens. i wonder how he would explain the fact that autopsies can't find a cause a death?

127 posted on 11/16/2007 4:26:09 PM PST by ferri (Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane. - Philip K. Dick)
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To: csvset
I know.

It didn’t have to happen.

I suspect this might have been avoided if just a single airport employee had taken a minute to find out what was wrong.

He was waiting in the baggage area, his mother was looking for him. and she was sent home, told that her son was either not there, or had arrived, and left.

She drove in from Kamloops, BC.

128 posted on 11/16/2007 4:32:13 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: lizol

“Keep in mind also, that - according to Polish media - that was his first fly by plane ever in his life, and he traveled overseas, which probably took him another several hours (+ the time he spent at the airport.”

Yes I did have that in mind. When I was stuck at Sea/Tac, I had just arrived from Fairbanks Alaska and was on my way to New York State.


129 posted on 11/16/2007 4:41:16 PM PST by BerryDingle (Illegitimi Non Carborundum (Don't let the bastards wear you down))
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To: fanfan

I understand he became agitated because he was stranded at the airport for 10 hours, but in all I have read on the incident and all the news casts I have seen no one explains WHY he had been at the airport for 10 hours. Does anyone know why? Was he mentally ill?


130 posted on 11/19/2007 6:47:48 AM PST by monday
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To: monday

He thought he was to meet his mother in the baggage claim area, so that’s where he stayed.

His mother didn’t realize that it was a secure area,so she asked staff to go in and get him, but was told he wasn’t there.


131 posted on 11/19/2007 6:56:15 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

“so she asked staff to go in and get him, but was told he wasn’t there.”

oops... looks like the airport is going to be paying her millions as well. Thx for the info.


132 posted on 11/19/2007 7:50:41 AM PST by monday
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To: monday; fanfan
I do hesitate to post here but..... I say this because I logged on to the Vancouver website open for everyone's opinion. On casting doubts about the traveller who filmed the poor and then agitated man, a poster was subjected to a torrent of abuse from 9 out of 10. FR and I am not being sycophantic, is the soul of civilized courtesy most times. Oh boy, I was to timid to venture on that website.

To cut to the chase and this is most important. It seems the man could have quite easily walked out of the area. The man,Paul Pritchard, saw him in the EARLY STAGES of agitation. He pointed his camera toward the man. We are told the man saw him. The agitated man was said to have put up a stool, to ward off the pointing camera.

After that, the man lost it. Pritchard is Canada's hero, a George Holliday of Rodney King fame. Pritchard making money and his Warhol moment. Playing holier than thou.

133 posted on 11/19/2007 9:10:10 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
“He pointed his camera toward the man. We are told the man saw him. The agitated man was said to have put up a stool, to ward off the pointing camera. After that, the man lost it.”

Thats sort of why I was wondering if the guy had a mental illness. That isn’t the reaction most people have when being filmed. Indeed if someone is acting like an @sshole, pointing a camera at them would likely make them calm down, instead of lose it. No sane person wants to look like an idiot on camera. I suspect the guy wasn’t playing with a full deck.

I don’t know anything about Pritchard and frankly couldn’t care less. If I had been in his position I would have done the same thing. If something interesting happens it’s pretty much to be expected that someone will be recording it. Everyone has camera phones, and digital recorders these days.

Anyway, you shouldn’t hesitate to post. If people disagree with you, it’s ok. You shouldn’t take it personally.

134 posted on 11/19/2007 9:53:31 AM PST by monday
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To: untrained skeptic

The officers in my mind used excessive force, shame on them. The Polish man had mental issues, but he was willing to give up when the airport officers arrived. The Polish man lifted his hands. Those officers used excessive force, I mean they were acting like they were wrestling an elepant. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What they did is inhumane, disgusting, and vile to treat another human being like that. They are supposed to use equal force to combat equal force. This deranged Polish man was willing to give up. A man is dead because those %$#& officers overpowered him with unreasonable-excessive force. I’m not saying the Polish man was in his right mind throwing chairs. He didn’t deserve to die. Shame, Shame on those bullies.


135 posted on 11/21/2007 12:24:14 PM PST by cappie1
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To: fanfan; All
Update:

Inquiry: Police not justified in Pole Taser death

136 posted on 06/18/2010 10:56:31 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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