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The Great Elite Back-Down Issue (Immigration: Elites versus Joe Sixpack)
The National Review ^ | November 14, 2007 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:15:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Milton Friedman said, many times, that you can not have open borders with a welfare state.

The American working poor are vastly hurt by this. Not only do illegals suppress his legal wages, he has to pay in taxes for the extra welfare, crime, decreased property. So, the person that hires labor gets a two fer, depressed labor bids by Americans, totally with out labor rights illegals bidding at low costs, and with the costs, crime and such carried by others.

41 posted on 11/15/2007 2:03:03 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

>>If one the other hand, we look at which party wants to cut taxes on captitals gains, which party wants to lower taxes on the top income bracket, etc etc, that would provide a much better clue.<<

OTOH there is some point at which taxes on the wealthy are not good for anyone. Maybe there are more wealthy republicans than dems, but you have not made any convincing arguments to that effect.

There are certainly politicians in both parties who act like aristocrats, don’t care what their constituents think or want.


42 posted on 11/15/2007 2:27:39 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian; arthurus
Wouldn’t that mean most of the Great Elite are Republicans?
In the Democrat's propaganda world, yes. In the real world, the Republicans are the party of the middle class, and the Democrats are the party of the rich, posturing as the party of the poor. This can be seen not only in the tendency of the Democrats to be supported by a relatively few, relatively large donations as compared to the Republicans, but by the red-blue map broken down by counties - which reveals that the Democrats do best in the inner cities and also in the toney suburbs, while Republicans do best in suburban and rural districts.

Democratic politics are the conspicuous consumption of the rich; the middle class can't afford them.


43 posted on 11/15/2007 2:33:47 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Graybeard58
What’s Hillary’s stance du jour on the issue?

She will have to consult with her focus group first.

44 posted on 11/15/2007 2:34:57 AM PST by dearolddad (Opinions are like rectums: everybody has one.)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
<.iThe greatest beach erosion results from northeastereners especially those at the spring equinox in march.

Your constant harping on this hillbilly stereotype of "Appalachia" is beginning to mark you as some sort of elitist, in your own mind at least.

45 posted on 11/15/2007 2:53:04 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

That’s what I get for not hitting “preview.”


46 posted on 11/15/2007 2:55:14 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

Arrocentricity! Which means I and my kind know better than the common people.


47 posted on 11/15/2007 3:03:19 AM PST by Barnyard
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Law is a very diferent concept than is legislation. Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are so-called law and so is subsidy to farmers. Aren't those 'laws' worth abolishing?

Why is there so much class envy, pessimissim, and talk of exploitation in these types of threads from conservatives, anyhow? What would Ronald Reagan think of us if he were still here with us?

48 posted on 11/15/2007 3:20:22 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Chunga

I agree with you. I bridle every time I hear a politician, or anyone else for that matter, refer to our Republic as a democracy.


49 posted on 11/15/2007 3:30:04 AM PST by Hornet19 (It's Time to Put Up or Shut Up...Where Do You Stand?)
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To: LowCountryJoe

All the anti-elitist voters come from the Conservative ranks to split the Republican vote. Ross Perot and Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Party are good examples.

Embrace cheap labor at your own peril Republicans.


50 posted on 11/15/2007 3:32:29 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The return of Spiro Agnew’s Silent Majority ...


51 posted on 11/15/2007 3:36:16 AM PST by sono (Hillary's Campaign Theme Song? Donovan, "Season of The Witch")
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To: singfreedom

“Michigan and New Mexico are two of them. That really needs to be fixed too.”

But the Democrats need illegals to be registered voters through “Motor Voter”, so Granholm and Richardson are perfectly happy to have illegals driving and voting in their states. Since the politicians can’t be trusted, we really need to have a way to verify citizenship before voting in this country.


52 posted on 11/15/2007 4:15:45 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stoddard/david8.htm


53 posted on 11/15/2007 4:31:54 AM PST by radar101 (Duncan Hunter-The only possibility)
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54 posted on 11/15/2007 4:36:05 AM PST by central_va
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
What if it’s some guy with a grade 3 education who owns a landscaping business in Appalachia that’s not doing particularly well?

Let me fix this:

What if it’s some guy with a grade 3 education who owns a landscaping business criminal enterprise in Appalachia that’s not doing particularly well?

55 posted on 11/15/2007 4:38:42 AM PST by central_va
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

In America, mostly wealth. Americans don’t care much about pedigree.


56 posted on 11/15/2007 4:41:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Derb... more great stuff from the Derb who BTW is an immigrant from UK and has a Chinese wife and children with her. So how can the Mexis complain?


57 posted on 11/15/2007 4:42:51 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
This elite backdown is just an election year tactical retreat.

The amnesty traitors will be back with a vengeance when the coast is clear, after the election.


58 posted on 11/15/2007 4:46:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Graybeard58

Hillary’s stance is well known and on the record. She voted for comprehensive immigration reform in 2006 and 2007. And at tonight’s debate, she will again advocate comprehensive immigration reform [read amnesty.]


59 posted on 11/15/2007 4:52:58 AM PST by kabar
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To: sono; 2ndDivisionVet
The return of Spiro Agnew’s Silent Majority ...

A timely development, since his "Elite Corps of Impudent Snobs" are making their move for total control...

60 posted on 11/15/2007 4:53:22 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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