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According to Polls, Fred Thompson Foundering
Wash Post ^ | 11/13/07 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 11/13/2007 11:13:48 AM PST by pissant

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To: Petronski

I responded.

I’m going through this thread in the order the posts appear, so you don’t have to pretend like I’m giving you crickets.

You, on the other hand have yet to address the fact that you thought it was good when Intrade showed Thompson ahead but now you don’t like Intrade when it shows him at 6%. Also, you keep posting nonsense about efficacy but you ignore the efficacy thread. You’re hiding.


341 posted on 11/13/2007 3:16:05 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Yes. 3rd time answering.


342 posted on 11/13/2007 3:16:59 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Again I respond. Yes. I’m answering in the order things appear.

And that is a probability statement. The context is important as well, because we were discussing why Fred didn’t get Dobson’s endorsement.


343 posted on 11/13/2007 3:19:27 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

ah so what you are saying is, don’t support fred because of polls, support the one you think is the best conservative.


344 posted on 11/13/2007 3:19:33 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

Yes, but Reagan also enacted Tarriff’s to protect Harley Davidson.


345 posted on 11/13/2007 3:20:35 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Kevmo
If you feel powerful enough to denounce another man's faith, another man's Christianity, without every having met him (have you met Fred Thompson and discussed his faith with him?), I have no use for you.

The way I was raised, I focus on pulling the beam from my own eye rather than reading press clippings and saying with Body Snatcher finger pointed "NOT A CHRISTIAN! NOT A CHRISTIAN!"

346 posted on 11/13/2007 3:20:41 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: CitizenUSA
Thank you for such a good post! Well said. A LOT of pretty level-headed conservatives are saying the same thing more and more -- that it's blatantly obvious which candidate is the guy who "REALLY supports limited government and individual liberty." Fred Thompson. I wish, hope, and pray that Thompson wins the Republican primaries. IF he does, he will certainly win the presidency.
347 posted on 11/13/2007 3:21:34 PM PST by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: dschapin

Ok, I will bite.
***But I am not biting. The context of the statement was over why Fred didn’t get Dobson’s endorsement, I see several pings with Sally suggesting that I’m giving her crickets, but I’m just answering in the order of appearance. So, my plan is to just point her to the context. She wants to make a big deal out of this. If you want to bite on that issue, that’s fine. But that was not the point I was making.


348 posted on 11/13/2007 3:22:06 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Who is Sally?


349 posted on 11/13/2007 3:23:37 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: Petronski

But is that your opinion? Fred is not a Christian?
***You just want to have a big fight. Go and take on Dschapin and whoever else bites. The context of what I wrote is important, and the point was towards where the support from evangelicals would land. So go and stir up a hornet’s nest somewhere else.


350 posted on 11/13/2007 3:24:32 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

The context of what you wrote is not clear. You want to throw an accusation and then hide behind context. Now you whine like a stuck pig when I ask for clarity.

Who is Sally?


351 posted on 11/13/2007 3:27:24 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: Petronski

Can we trust that leaked memo to be a reflection of what Dobson thinks? I sure can
***Then it’s a data point. If I called up Fred and asked some pointed moral questions, I wouldn’t get any answer. Dobson didn’t get anything either. That in itself is an answer, and at least one indication of why Dobson isn’t endorsing Fred.

The numbers for Huckabee are bumping up even without an outright endorsement. If the 50 evangelical leaders + Dobson endorse someone, that person is likely to be bumped into the top tier. I’m hoping it’s Hunter. Hunter wouldn’t lose that 20point bump in the polls.


352 posted on 11/13/2007 3:27:41 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Is Fred Thompson a Christian, in your opinion?


353 posted on 11/13/2007 3:28:16 PM PST by Petronski (Congratulations C.C. Sabathia - A.L. Cy Young 2007)
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To: ari-freedom

He also voted for sarbanes-oxley, NCLB and expanded medicare.
***Those don’t sound like big hot-button issues compared to immigration, WOT, pro-life. His trade policy is something that I agree with, and I think the majority of americans would as well — trading with your overt enemy is something you want to keep an eye on. On the big hot-button issues, he’s got it right. On the small hot-button issues, he pisses off the fleecetraders and other money men. So his support is going to have to come from mom & pop.


354 posted on 11/13/2007 3:33:15 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo; Petronski

Fair enough - I actually already settled my disagreement with Petronski on that issue.


355 posted on 11/13/2007 3:33:17 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin

and as we all know the country runs on Harley Davidson. :) but in general, he was for whole scale free trade and initiated the Uruguay Rounds in 86.

As for the WTO...no, I’m against that because I’m afraid it could be a global govt that eventually punishes countries for lowering taxes on exporters


356 posted on 11/13/2007 3:35:55 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Petronski

Well, “Thompson is probably not a christian” is definitely a grenade—not to mention being viciously ugly and offensive.
***Then I own up to it. As I posted, the context of what I was writing was important. If you’re talking about the endorsement of the unicorn admiration society, it is pertinent to discuss whether one of the bigwig unicornians thinks the candidate actually is a true unicorn admirer. That is what Dobson was discussing in his private email that got leaked, and, tellingly, he has said he won’t endorse Thompson. That is the case, and so if that’s vicious and ugly and offensive, you’ll need to take that up with Dobson.


357 posted on 11/13/2007 3:37:34 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Answered already, not biting at the bait.


358 posted on 11/13/2007 3:38:40 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Answered already, not biting at the bait.


359 posted on 11/13/2007 3:38:53 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Petronski

Answered already, not biting at the bait.


360 posted on 11/13/2007 3:39:36 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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