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‘Pakistan cuts troops on Indian border’
Khaleej Times ^ | 7 November 2007 | correspondent

Posted on 11/07/2007 7:45:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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H/T to Flopping Aces and The Astute Bloggers.....
1 posted on 11/07/2007 7:45:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: G8 Diplomat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Allegra; Dog; Marine_Uncle; jeffers; ...
Link to Flopping Aces:

President Musharraf About To Take Fight To al-Qaeda

2 posted on 11/07/2007 7:48:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Pakistan ۋﮧ۱م

FReepmail if you want on or off

3 posted on 11/07/2007 7:59:58 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: G8 Diplomat
From Flopping Aces article: Pakistan President Gen. Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday gave a go-ahead for a massive military action in the restive tribal areas to crush pro-Taliban and Al Qaeda militants once for all.

"Now the terrorists will not be allowed to kill any more people. That’s the reason why we have enforced emergency. They will either be killed or have to surrender," President Musharraf was quoted as saying by the official.

Which may very well explain his declaration of martial law and the seizure of judicial members sympathetic to the very same militant Islamists.

Could very well be.

Go get 'em Mushy.
4 posted on 11/07/2007 8:06:57 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Sounds promising!


5 posted on 11/07/2007 8:08:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whoever would have thought that muslim governments cant be trusted with nuclear weapons.???


6 posted on 11/07/2007 8:10:53 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whoever would have thought that muslim governments cant be trusted with nuclear weapons.???


7 posted on 11/07/2007 8:10:53 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Rather interesting development for sure. I am sure there have been assurance from Washington that India would not interfere, and respect the Pakistani military objectives to start a ruthless campaign against al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Of course one never knows how many troops may be consolidated in order to go against any internal Paki political uprisings, as we are now witnessing.
If the elections do go forth on schedule in January, and Mussahraf steps down from running the military, things could really settle down in Pakistan and allow for a concerted effort to eradicate a large number of Islamic groups.
8 posted on 11/07/2007 8:12:34 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: G8 Diplomat
And :

More evidence "old Taliban" teaming with Musharraf and Bhutto

********************Intro Excerpt*******************

As I postulated here at the American Thinker, Maulana Fazlur Rahman, creator, a leader of, and international ambassador of the Taliban has split with al Qaeda. He is turning his loyalist Taliban against al Qaeda, which itself is in the process of taking over the Taliban via young Taliban chieftains. Ergo, a war is shaping up between Maulana Fazlur Rahman and his millions of followers, Bhutto, Musharraf on one side against "young Taliban" and al Qaeda on the other.

9 posted on 11/07/2007 8:13:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

See #9....Anbar all over again?


10 posted on 11/07/2007 8:14:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: jveritas

Ping!
see link at #9...


11 posted on 11/07/2007 8:17:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Reuters article:

ANALYSIS-Military mind leads Pakistan into state of confusion

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Wed Nov 7, 2007 6:28pm EST

By Simon Cameron-Moore

ISLAMABAD, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Strike fast, eliminate the enemy, and get out quickly.

President Pervez Musharraf, the former commando, often talks in those terms about operations against al Qaeda militants.

For the past few days Pakistan's military leader has taken somewhat similar action against troublesome judges under the cloak of emergency rule and suspension of the constitution.

"I have not learnt to surrender. I know how to face the situation. I never give in, I will confront," Musharraf said in an address to the nation on Saturday after taking steps to avoid any chance of a courtroom defeat that could have ended his rule.

The general's pre-emptive strike to rid himself of a Supreme Court bench that might have annulled his Oct. 6 re-election victory has heightened uncertainties in nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Some analysts reckon Musharraf has set off a chain of events he cannot control and will ultimately consume him, while others see him wounded but hanging on. Nobody sees him going easily.

"I think his problem is his own ego," said Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution in Washington. "He's always seen himself as the saviour of Pakistan and the indispensable leader."

If Musharraf is damaged too badly and is unable to function properly as president or army chief, his own generals could ask him to step aside.

"It may come to push rather than anything else -- it's hard to predict these things -- but the system bends only so far before it starts to break," Cohen said.

Under fire from Western allies and the international community, and with an angry Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan's most popular and divisive opposition figure, now back in Islamabad, Musharraf appears to be hoping he can just replace the judges quickly, manage the politicians and make the whole mess go away.

RIGHT-HAND MAN

The general's political right-hand man, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, told Dawn newspaper the emergency could be over in two to three weeks.

Other high-ranking officials say elections, which had been expected in January, will be held on schedule or slightly later.

"If they do hold elections fairly soon -- that is within a month of the scheduled elections -- then he can get out of this, he can work a 'managed' election," said Cohen, adding that Bhutto could end up in government with old political foes such as Hussain.

Taking Musharraf at his word, and he has backtracked before, he is "determined" to quit as army chief and hold elections once his legal wrangles are resolved.

The trouble is that smashing the country's judiciary and muzzling the media -- television news channels were taken off the air -- will take an awful lot longer to fix.

"If two weeks after Nov. 3 Musharraf takes off his uniform and comes as a civilian president and says he's going to hold elections, I don't think that's satisfactory," said independent analyst Nasim Zehra.

"What happens about the judiciary? Are we going to take that as a fait accompli?"

They were hardly conducive circumstances for elections, which were never going to be free and fair so long as the party of Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister Musharraf deposed and exiled, was being suppressed.

COURTS BOYCOTT

Lawyers are up in arms, boycotting courts following the dismissal of judges such as chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, who refused to go along with Musharraf's interpretation of the law.

Musharraf quoted Abraham Lincoln while justifying himself by saying a limb had to be sacrificed to save the nation.

Most Pakistanis believe Musharraf was rescuing himself from a possible adverse ruling by the Supreme Court hearing challenges to his re-election while still army chief last month.

"He is a cheater, like other dictators we've had in the past," said Aamir Ali, who joined hundreds of other students at a protest in Islamabad that passed off peacefully on Wednesday. A text message circulated by mobile phone after Musharraf said he wanted to stop the nation committing suicide put a wry interpretation on his words that many Pakistanis would agree with.

"Suicide attack on the constitution, judiciary and media. The victims died, the bomber survived."

The judges Musharraf has chosen to fill the empty benches are unlikely to inspire confidence.

Those judges can strike down the challenges that made the Supreme Court stop Musharraf declaring victory after his re-election by parliament in October.

But analysts say they cannot restore his diminished moral authority or crumbling approval ratings.

Nor will a pliant judiciary go down well with foreign investors, even though the economy has been averaging 7 percent growth annually for the past four years. "You're going to have, I think, more of the same of what has been happening in Pakistan -- a bunch of fat cats and robber barons are going to hold sway," said Asad Saeed, an independent economist based in Karachi.

Musharraf is safe, analysts say, so long as the army stays loyal, mass protests are contained and Western governments calculate that they need Musharraf to have any chance of defeating al Qaeda globally and of stabilising Afghanistan by crushing the Taliban.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declared that Washington doesn't "have all its chips on Musharraf", which begged the question where are the rest.

"It's a bluff," said Cohen. (Editing by Roger Crabb and Alex Richardson)

12 posted on 11/07/2007 8:35:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
From the AP:

November 07, 2007 at 11:55:5 PST
Negroponte: Musharraf Is 'Indispensable'

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By ANNE FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -

Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte told Congress on Wednesday that Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf is an "indispensable" ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism and that "partnership with Pakistan and its people is the only option."

In prepared testimony, Negroponte also told the House Foreign Affairs Committee that administration officials "strongly disagree" with Musharraf's crackdown on his political opponents.

"We strongly counseled against emergency rule, but Pakistan's leadership did not follow our advice," Negroponte said.

His remarks echoed the Bush administration's position in the days since Musharraf declared emergency rule: a mild and measured response, careful not to go too far in rebuking a close anti-terrorism ally. It stands in sharp contrast to the administration's tougher stance taken when Myanmar's military regime cracked down on pro-democracy protesters in September, for instance.

While he acknowledges an ongoing review of U.S. aid to Pakistan in light of the crisis, Negroponte does not announce any changes to U.S. policy.

Musharraf "has been indispensable in the global war on terror, so indispensable that extremists and radicals have tried to assassinate him multiple times," Negroponte said. "The bottom line is, there's no question that we Americans have a stake in Pakistan."

Negroponte also urged Musharraf to follow through with commitments to convene elections and relinquish his position as Army chief.

"The current state of emergency calls into question these commitments, but we should work to achieve their fulfillment, not pre-emptively write them off," he said.

Negroponte faces a skeptical Democratic-led Congress. Many lawmakers say the U.S. should consider cutting off foreign aid to Pakistan and that Musharraf shouldn't be so readily praised.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, planned to offer a resolution condemning Musharraf's actions, while others said military aid should be withheld.

"We have the worst of all possible worlds," said Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., who chairs the panel's subcommittee on Middle East and South Asia. "Our ally is an isolated and deeply resented leader who is less popular with his own people than Osama bin Laden."

The White House on Wednesday defended its handling of the situation, which erupted on Saturday.

"It's been about five days," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "I grant you that it feels long for all of us who are interested in wanting to get instant reaction. We are trying to get Pakistan back on its path to democracy."

The Bush administration has been reviewing U.S. aid to Pakistan in the wake of Musharraf's declaration of emergency rule. Musharraf says his actions, which include suspending his country's constitution and ousting its top judge, were necessary to prevent a takeover by Islamic extremists.

The Bush administration is seeking $800 million for Pakistan for the current budget year. Since 2001 the U.S. has provided Pakistan with an estimated $9.6 billion.

At the Pentagon, a senior officer on the Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters that the U.S. military puts great value in its relationship with the Pakistani military and does not want to see that diminished.

"First and foremost is the cooperation along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan," said Lt. Gen. Carter Ham, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs. "Those military operations, conducted by forces on either side of the border, are done with increasing openness, collaboration, synchronization. There's good communication between U.S. and Afghan forces on the one side and the Pakistan forces on the other. And we would certainly not want to see that jeopardized in any way."

Ham said that U.S. military liaison officers in Islamabad have reported that communication and cooperation with the Pakistani military on operations along the Afghan border have not been affected by the political crisis.

"Those contacts seem to be quite good still," Ham said.

A senior member of Musharraf's legal team said Wednesday that the United States is more worried about fighting terrorists than about seeing democracy flourish in his country.

Ahmad Raza Khan Qasuri, an advocate at Pakistan's Supreme Court, also warned the U.S. that "we expect from our friends advice, not dictation. We are a sovereign country."

"Do we ask for a checklist from the United States, 'Why did you go to Iraq? Why did you go to Afghanistan?'" he said at the Middle East Institute. "The United States, instead of dictation, they should give us friendly advice."

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns contributed to this story.

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13 posted on 11/07/2007 8:39:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
as many as 15 Infantry Brigades of Pakistan army have been repositioned on the border areas of north west frontier to fight Taleban.

Paks taking the fight to Waziristan .

14 posted on 11/07/2007 8:40:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard; Marine_Uncle

Moving troops is a sign he is getting serious,,,I would think!


15 posted on 11/07/2007 8:43:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I recall some little publicized but very high-level visits from the US government to both India and Pakistan, about the time the liberation of Afghanistan commenced. I don’t think it was a courtesy call. I think the Bush administration deserves a lot of credit for getting the Pak-Indian peace process off the dime, enabling both to assist in the WoT.


16 posted on 11/07/2007 8:45:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
a mild and measured response, careful not to go too far in rebuking a close anti-terrorism ally. It stands in sharp contrast to the administration's tougher stance taken when Myanmar's military regime cracked down on pro-democracy protesters in September, for instance.

There's a war on, and AP's idiot girl thinks we should treat Pakistan the same as Burma. Gimme a frickin' break.

17 posted on 11/07/2007 8:50:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Related FR thread:

(Pakistani)Intelligence Agencies launch major crackdown against terrorists

18 posted on 11/07/2007 8:51:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I think the Bush administration deserves a lot of credit ...

Absolutely!!!

19 posted on 11/07/2007 8:57:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Thanks E.


20 posted on 11/07/2007 9:02:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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