Posted on 11/05/2007 7:42:06 AM PST by pissant
Thank you for your intellectual honesty. I hope it spreads.
You could, but I would not want to try for a HLA until all 50 states are in the same camp. By then we would have more of an influence on having the legislators we want in place and even that would mean a tough fight with liberal districts.
if a state decided to legalize, say the murder of jews or blacks, you better believe the federal govt will get involved.
That is not a good analogy, IMO.
A better analogy would be if the Supremes ruled that retarded children are not afforded constitutional protections, and that states could not prosecute those who committed the executions of those kids.
How one would respond to that scenario is how we should be responding to this ongoing infantacide called abortion. IOTW, re-establish their constitutional right to life.
no....you don’t understand. This is not just about changing the constitution. That may not happen for a long long time. But HLA makes the pro-life cause a national campaign. It unites the party. Drop the push for HLA and no president will talk about abortion anymore.
How one would respond to that scenario is how we should be responding to this ongoing infantacide called abortion. IOTW, re-establish their constitutional right to life.
Yep, this is the analogy that those who advocate a "federalist" approach to abortion must wrestle with in order to be intellectually consistent.
My thoughts exactly... abortion is not a "State Rights" and/or Federalism issue. It's a matter of life or death and whether or not baby humans have a right to live. "Let the States decide" isn't going to work in the case of abortion. Nor should it.
-jw
I know. But they put up smoke screens. If all of the GOP would unite and show the appropriate amount of outrage regarding the snuffing of the unborn, an Amendment would pass easily. Alas, too many are happy being ‘nuanced’ about the issue. Blech!
Amen.
To accomplish a HLA you need a majority of the House(not likely because of the liberal districts), a majority of the Senate(even more difficult because of the liberal states that elect the bafoons), then a ratification from the states and that will bring even more contention to the issue and is no guarantee unless you have the groundswell in place beforehand.
Keeping it in front of the Congress only makes it dismissive by them.
Thanks ... at least you gave a resaonable response. No other Thompson defenders on this thread seem to want to touch Fred's statement at all.
Frankly, it scares me. It's not the kind of language that genuine pro-lifers are in the custom of using ... "criminalizing young girls" ... "their family doctor" (how many abortions are comitted by "family doctors"?).
Hopefully he will clarify ... but for now his claim to be "pro-life" is suspect to me.
Sorry Fred that's called being Pro-Choice on Abortion.
Fred wants to end Roe and leave abortion up to the "Choice" of the States.
While that is an improvement over today's situation it's his end goal and to me that's pathetic.
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I do not disagree with anything in your post. I wish that our Founders had seen a bit into the future... for a lot of reasons... abortion being number one. Like you said, they would have a fit if they knew where liberalism has taken America today.
LLS
No reason to blaspheme. Our Founders were touched by GOD himself... do you dispute that fact?
LLS
**Well, that helps explain why he thinks the GOP platform is “the most useless device” he’s ever heard of.
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U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson says he seldom hears about abortion in campaign travels throughout Tennessee and hopes the issue is downplayed at the Republican National Convention. The Tennessee Republican, a pro-choice defender in a party with an anti-abortion tilt, is preparing for next week’s convention in San Diego. He said the party must avoid distracting issues and focus on electing Bob Dole as president. “We need to concentrate on what brings us together and not what divides us,” Thompson said in an interview with The Tennessean published Tuesday. Thompson said he opposes making early-term abortions a crime, as some Republicans would like to do with a constitutional amendment. “But I don’t think you should bolt on one issue. I’m still not convinced platforms are a good idea. We know what we believe in and I don’t think we need to write it all down in a document,” Thompson said. (AP, 8/6/96)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/03/12/87865.aspx
First let me state that I do not believe in abortion for any reason. If the child is the product of a rape or incest and you abort it, you've executed the wrong individual.
If the claim is that it hazards the life of the mother, my contention is that the mother's life is not more valuable than the childs...let God decide. The notion that the child endangers the life (or even more feebly the health) of the mother is a straw dog. With modern medicine that's almost an impossible notion.
All of that said, I think that we should be consistant with the application of our laws. I would have no objection to making regular murders a Federal crime (as a matter of fact, that could be an easy way to restore the death penalty here in West Virginia), but whichever way we go we should be consistant.
we have accomplished...the GOP is a pro-life party on a national level because of HLA and other federal pro-life measures that congress can vote for and presidents can advocate for.
This was not the case before Reagan...before the issue was nationalized.
please explain what you mean by that
Yes, but the pro life plank is important.
I am not voting third party. Have no fear - however, the pro life plank is important. And no, there is no circumstance under which I could ever, ever vote for a Clinton.
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