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Fred Thompson Rejects GOP's Pro-Life Platform Plank
CNS ^ | 11/5/07 | Terrence Jeffrey

Posted on 11/05/2007 7:42:06 AM PST by pissant

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To: rface
I would rather see Hillary win the '08 election than vote for Fred......I mean, what diference is there between the two?

This from a Rudybot that claims there is a difference between Rudy and Hillary?

321 posted on 11/05/2007 10:09:02 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Paperdoll
How sad that an American disparages a dedicated man who has done so much to make America a better place.

Here's Dictionary.com's definition of disparage: 1 to speak of or treat slightingly; depreciate; belittle: 2. to bring reproach or discredit upon; lower the estimation of.

Just how does a lack of standing in polls equate with Hunter being disparaged? Please explain.

322 posted on 11/05/2007 10:09:34 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bcsco
Certain supporters, bsco, certain supporters - not all supporters. Ta ta.
323 posted on 11/05/2007 10:09:55 AM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Paperdoll

I did nothing of the kind, just pointed out the facts. Hunter got less than 3%...he has no national name recognition.


324 posted on 11/05/2007 10:10:26 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Paperdoll
Certain supporters, bsco, certain supporters - not all supporters. Ta ta.

I agree wholeheartedly. You must've been looking in the mirror when you wrote that.

325 posted on 11/05/2007 10:12:09 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: ravingnutter

thats what you get for being just a congressman. you can be in congress for years and you won’t be noticed by your own state.


326 posted on 11/05/2007 10:13:41 AM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Rennes Templar
I will consider supporting an amendment if we can’t get Roe v. Wade overturned. That would have avoided a lot of problems.

And, he should have made a similar comment about a marriage amendment.

If he had locked up the Christian and pro-life vote right away, he likely would be cruising toward the nomination.

The Republican Presidential field is the most pitful I have ever seen. It's disgrace the GOP couldn't or wouldn't find a conservative that could rally the base to run.

327 posted on 11/05/2007 10:14:01 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: McGruff

Yes, Duncan is known by the people that support him... trouble is Duncan deserves better than some of his supporters here.

LLS


328 posted on 11/05/2007 10:14:50 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
... trouble is Duncan deserves better than some of his supporters here.

Well, it's gotten worse recently. And I suspect his inability to generate traction is why. It must be frustrating to know that a pretty good candidate just isn't going anywhere.

329 posted on 11/05/2007 10:19:12 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: RockinRight
By throwing their tantrum...we get something much worse than a good solid pro-life Federalist position that would do MORE to further the pro-life cause than either electing Hillary

True. But, the fact remains that this is going to drive many pro-lifers to Huckabee, who likely has no chance of winning the nomination because of his liberal stances on other issues. That, in turn, paves the way for Giuliani or, at best, Romney to take the nomination.

I blame Fred for that. It's just dumb to alienate a voting block you need to win the nomination over amendments that likely won't ever pass.

330 posted on 11/05/2007 10:20:24 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: WildcatClan
There is a difference in facing down the Soviet Union and the persuading the American People.

They have heard the message over and over again about abortion being evil. They have been preached to again and again.

Where are we 30 years later?

Nowhere, save a minor victory or two.

Wake up, for the sake of all the innocents who will die due to stubborn refusal to seek a different way in the war against abortion.

331 posted on 11/05/2007 10:20:57 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: ari-freedom

That’s what you get? Is he being punished? Not really, Britney and OJ have more name-recognition than anyone running. When you’re living in a 3rd-world crap-hole, up to it’s a$$ in hock to the ChiComs, your media polls are going to be cold comfort


332 posted on 11/05/2007 10:21:19 AM PST by WildcatClan (DUNCAN HUNTER- The only choice for true conservatives)
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To: ravingnutter

>...Hunter got lesss than 3%...he has no national name recognition.<

He has done nothing but make news for months now in Congress, even with the California fires, and the media will not report it. Not to mention the past 26 years! That is not his fault. The media is 100% anti-conservative, and mostly anti-American! It is OUR fault for swallowing what the Establishment and the media (sometimes indiscernible) shove down our throats.

If Conservatives followed their own principles and backed Duncan Hunter, he would be high up in the first tier. But the fear mongers are winning, even over the Evangelicals! For shame!


333 posted on 11/05/2007 10:21:50 AM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Paperdoll
“Contract with America” was a GOP platform with abolishing abortion as it’s main theme.

I think you are very wrong in that assumption. It was a House of Representatives initiative. (LINKS DO NOT WORK.)

REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA

As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.

That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.

This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.

Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses. (Bill Text) (Description)

2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools. (Bill Text) (Description)

3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. (Bill Text) (Description)

4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society. (Bill Text) (Description)

5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. (Bill Text) (Description)

6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world. (Bill Text) (Description)

7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years. (Bill Text) (Description)

8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Bill Text) (Description)

9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation. (Bill Text) (Description)

10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators. (Description)

Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.

Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.

334 posted on 11/05/2007 10:22:52 AM PST by Pistolshot ("All you anti-Freds remind me of Wile E. Coyote trying to fool the sheepdog." - Sturm Ruger)
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To: TommyDale

“WTF is wrong with Fred Thompson? He is self destructing...all he had to do is leave it alone!”

If you are against abortion, then you can see that the Republican Platform has been and is only giving lip-service to the issue since Roe v Wade. The plank in the platform was political, and was in no way intended to actually do anything about the issue, which is why nothing has been accomplished.

This is the right stance for pro-lifers. At least now it is proposed to be handled state-by-state where there is a chance to attain at least some success. One step at a time.


335 posted on 11/05/2007 10:23:52 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Pistolshot
Here's the link to this. Contract with America
336 posted on 11/05/2007 10:24:33 AM PST by Pistolshot ("All you anti-Freds remind me of Wile E. Coyote trying to fool the sheepdog." - Sturm Ruger)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Or are you a Rooty Tooter?

Rface is a Rooty Tooter. He has posted several pro-Giuliani articles here.

337 posted on 11/05/2007 10:25:41 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: traditional1
The "Framers" made one mistake. They recognized the fact that compromising on the life of slaves was a mistake, but they did it anyway in order to get a "Union." But that mistake cost this country dearly. Thousands of Americans lost their lives because one group felt states rights trumped the inalienable human rights endowed by our Creator.

Slavery denied liberty and the pursuit of happiness to blacks. Denying life to a unborn child automatically denies them liberty and the ability to pursue happiness. If going against the Lord was wrong then, it is doubly wrong now. Some people can learn from history and some people learn the hard way. I hope we as a nation do not have to learn the hard way.

If you happen to be one of those who believes that the Constitution should supersede God's law, here's something for you to see:

Fourteenth. Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

338 posted on 11/05/2007 10:26:16 AM PST by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: WildcatClan

Hunter is not punished. it’s just that until you first win on at least a state level, you won’t get any name recognition. Unless you are really out there like Ron Paul.


339 posted on 11/05/2007 10:27:22 AM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ejonesie22
ej, I appreciate your sensible posts ... and I for one am open to a change in pro-life strategy. But doesn't this quote from Thompson sound like he in fact personally wants to keep abortion legal? (I hate to keep citing this ... I'm not trying to spam the thread. I just haven't yet heard a reasonable explanation of this comment that is consistent with Fred being pro-life at all.)
"People ask me hypothetically, you know, OK, it goes back to the states," said Thompson. "Somebody comes up with a bill, and they say we're going to outlaw this, that, or the other. And my response was, I do not think it is a wise thing to criminalize young girls and perhaps their parents as aiders and abettors or perhaps their family physician.

340 posted on 11/05/2007 10:30:35 AM PST by Oliver Optic (Never blame on strategery that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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