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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 4 November 2007
Various big media television networks ^ | 4 November 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 11/04/2007 4:46:14 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

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To: NordP

Most definitely.


561 posted on 11/04/2007 7:01:10 PM PST by maica
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To: Prokopton

14th amendment, too?


562 posted on 11/04/2007 7:01:53 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Norman Bates
14th amendment, too?

The 14th Amendment, protecting life and liberty as it does, clearly is implicated in the abortion issue. My reply, however, was to a post questioning, I think, what part of the Constitution would allow new state abortion statutes, if Roe v. Wade was overturned, to be appealed to Federal Courts on Constitutional grounds.

563 posted on 11/04/2007 7:15:50 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Norman Bates
I also find his position awkward on - excuse me if I get this wrong - a constitutional amendment barring judges from establishing gay marriage.

The congress can, if it wants, pass a statute taking jurisdiction over such matters away from Federal Courts. The tougher part is the Full Faith and Credit Clause. There would probably have to be an amendment to "fix" that one although DOMA purports to do it now by statute.

564 posted on 11/04/2007 7:25:50 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

Thanks. I still don’t buy his judge-barring-amendment stance - if he was in fact talking about an amendment. It’s one of the strangest constitutional “fixes” I’ve ever heard of.


565 posted on 11/04/2007 7:33:40 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Prokopton

Article One, Section 9. “ The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.

Article Three, Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution...

What?

Your remark is still unsupportable by any text in the Constitution, including the above two cites.

The Constitution protects life in two ways.

1.)The Constitution specifically protects life against government. See Trial and Punishments, Amendment 5.

2.)The Constitution affords the protection of life against other citizens by leaving it up to the citizens of the states and local governments to pass laws at that level to protect life from other citizens. See Powers of the States and the People, Amendment 10.

566 posted on 11/04/2007 7:34:45 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Prokopton
The 14th Amendment, protecting life and liberty as it does, clearly is implicated in the abortion issue. My reply, however, was to a post questioning, I think, what part of the Constitution would allow new state abortion statutes, if Roe v. Wade was overturned, to be appealed to Federal Courts on Constitutional grounds.

No. The 14th amendment protects life and liberty against government. It does not protect life and liberty from the private citizen abortionist.

567 posted on 11/04/2007 7:37:47 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Norman Bates
From the looks of this thread looks like you brought up a lot of “hot button issues”. I’ll be like a lady when you start acting like a gentleman.
568 posted on 11/04/2007 8:11:33 PM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: cajungirl
Rudi could demolish her I do believe.

I believe half of Rudy's support is based on this fact; Hollywood couldn't right a better script than this.

569 posted on 11/04/2007 8:51:27 PM PST by PrinceOfCups (Back in the Magic Kingdom..)
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To: snugs
The most important issue as I see it is how to defeat Hillary.

I believe that this is the reason Rudy is polling so well with conservatives. Hillary is the Sword of Damocles hanging above us all.

570 posted on 11/04/2007 9:06:39 PM PST by PrinceOfCups (Back in the Magic Kingdom..)
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To: mtnwmn

Give it a rest.


571 posted on 11/04/2007 10:35:08 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: fluffdaddy
Whenever the abortion debate becomes a battle of the extremes, we lose. We can’t let it be that kind of battle.

You might also add: we should adopt the "incremental" approach the Dems use for change. Nibble from the outside in; win small victories until public opinion begins to change. Look how the Dems go after smokers: first ban smoking advertising, next ban smoking in workplaces, next ban smoking in private homes, next ban smoking outside, etc.

572 posted on 11/05/2007 1:22:55 AM PST by PrinceOfCups (Back in the Magic Kingdom..)
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To: kabar
We don’t need a “media product” to win in 2008. That shouldn’t be the criterion of whom we select as our nominee.

However, having a media savvy nominee certainly wouldn't hurt our chances in 2008.

573 posted on 11/05/2007 1:41:48 AM PST by PrinceOfCups (Back in the Magic Kingdom..)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I’ll FReep mail you.


574 posted on 11/05/2007 4:05:03 AM PST by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: ThreePuttinDude; All
This thread is normally a bastion of intellectual knowledge for many members of the New Media.

Many of us have had posts that we make on here used by some of the big guns in the New Media with the idea always being to build our side up while removing the terrorist dems from the scene.

Those who would upset that balance that we normally maintain on on this thread have no business being here whatsoever, IMHO.

575 posted on 11/05/2007 4:41:45 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: mountainfolk
41 is a true gentleman.We have had the opportunity to get to see him quite a bit here in the Keys as he loves to fish and visits here often.
576 posted on 11/05/2007 4:45:15 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: mtnwmn

“Do you really think McCain will drop out before the primaries?”

His temper could lead him anywhere.


577 posted on 11/05/2007 4:54:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith (A leftist will never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs)
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To: PrinceOfCups

Most of the potential Rep nominees are media savvy. Paul may be the only one who isn’t. When you hold the office of governor, mayor, senator and congressman, it is hard to stay in office without understanding how the media works and how to use it to best advantage.


578 posted on 11/05/2007 4:56:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: rodguy911
41 is a true gentleman.We have had the opportunity to get to see him quite a bit here in the Keys as he loves to fish and visits here often.

You can tell 41 loves fishing.

I saw Dubya on Roland Martin's show... they were bass-fishing on one of Bush's ponds in Crawford using plastic worms. LOL... 43 said he didn't use them much and it showed. He just tossed it out and reeled it back in like a crank-bait!


579 posted on 11/05/2007 5:09:37 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: cajungirl

I believe that ultimately, the power should be in the people and that means we have representatives (servants, if you will) who reflect our wishes ..... if something comes up that our reps feel absolutely it is in the best interests of the country that they should go against the wishes of the people, then they have a duty to make the case to us and it better be a good one (leadership skills should kick in here, not the current condescending attitude that the people are too dumb to know what is good for them). What we have now are politicians who will say and do anything to get elected and then they totally ignore their constituents (comprehensive immigration bill is the prime example) and do what it takes to stay in office and improve their own situations. Way too many are so entrenched that it would take dynamite to remove them from office and they do whatever they please - will of the people or not, mostly not. I personally believe in term limits, actually choosing & electing good people (not just accepting whoever ‘the parties’ put up) and holding reps strictly accountable (letters, e-mails, phone calls, attending town meetings when reps return home during breaks). ‘We the people’ need to take our power back and I thought the GW quote was a good reminder/example of just how upside down our current situation is compared to what was intended by the Constitution. My 2 cents, for whatever it’s worth! :-)


580 posted on 11/05/2007 6:33:57 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Regarding Hillary (D-MoveOn.org): "It is easier to prevent than to remedy an evil." (GW-1798))
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