The Right to Life is an UNALIENABLE right granted to us by God

[John Leland 1789]

I’m with you, Jim!

There are many who post hereon, however, that have denied even the existence of God, so to them this means very little.

[Kevmo]

Let me repeat:...insistence on one issue being the guide for discourse abdicates any role in any political discussion...
***This is a thread about pro-life vs. abortion. Where have I ever laid down any insistence on one issue being THE guide? I haven’t. I understand JimRob’s point of view if he chooses this issue as the indicator, kind of like the spotted owl as an indicator species for when a forest is dying.

Your own response to Awesome Possum discredits what you say anyways. We point out that this is one issue of many, and you say “Party platforms are sops for saps and peanuts for peons.” We point to one issue and you say that by pointing to one issue that we “abdicate any role in any political discussion.” You’re the one who is bowing out of political discussion, not us. If you don’t buy into the platform, you’re not even a republican, you’re an opportunist. That is one of the clearest indicators that the republican party is leaving us, not that we are leaving it. And, this isn’t a GOP site to begin with.

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. .... We are not connected to or funded by any political party, news agency, or any other entity.

[Hot Tabasco]

... an UNALIENABLE right ...

Your spell checker on vacation?

Unalienable = INALIENABLE........

And even in the title of the thread for all to see........tsk, tsk, tsk,.

[olde north church]

1. I would argue the value of life isn't connected to the existence or non-existence of a deity.

2. You're on this side of the womb. It's quite easy for you to be cavalier about how many babies are sacrificed on the altar of absolutism. Good position, pretender.

[American Quilter]

Unalienable = INALIENABLE........

Do you know the story behind the use of "unalienable"? It occurred when the Colonial Congress was debating the draft of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson. His draft contained the word "inalienable". John Adams pointed out (incorrectly) that the correct version is "unalienable". Jefferson refused to change it, so Adams waited until the approved document was submitter to the printer. He made the printer change it.

So though it's incorrect, the appearance of the world "unalienable" always makes me smile.

[olde north church]

My RINO "bona-fides":

1. Pro-life, no "health of mother, incest, rape flim-flam".

2. Anti-Illegal immigration, stop auto-citizenship for babies.

3. Strict Constitutional interpretation.

4. Tax minimalist.

5. English as national language.

6. Full support to armed forces.

That's a quick run-down but by no means a complete list. Thanks. onc

[Paperdoll]

Good post, Kim. Duncan Hunter transcends party! He appeals to those who love their country, cherish their freedom, and appreciate a statesman who has his head on straight, his heart in the right place, his courage and his determination to lead the country back to prosperity through solid, well thought out solutions and pristine priorities.

Partisan Republicans will cause the demise of the GOP.
In other words, the party will self destruct. The RNC continues to ignore it’s conservative base at it’s own peril.

[Paperdoll]

Please see post #187.

[Revolting cat!]

Your spell checker on vacation?

You're replying to post # 2, wise guy? How does your spellchecker spell "Yes"?

[wagglebee]

1. I would argue the value of life isn't connected to the existence or non-existence of a deity.

I don't think anyone would dispute that.

2. You're on this side of the womb. It's quite easy for you to be cavalier about how many babies are sacrificed on the altar of absolutism. Good position, pretender.

I suppose a "pretender" is ANYONE who is actually pro-life and doesn't subscribe to your notion that abortion can only be approached "incrementally" and that it is supported by the Constitution?

Here are some examples of what you think about abortion:

Tests abound for Republicans with religious conservatives [Values Voter Summit]

Posted by olde north church to 2ndDivisionVet; All On News/Activism 10/18/2007 7:23:57 AM EDT · 10 of 14 These so-called "Values Voters" may want to heed the words of the founders of the Modern Conservative movement and keep their theology in their churches. Not everybody, well most everybody in this great nation really couldn't give a fiddler's what Dr. Dobson thinks. Let the candidates campaign on their positions, instead of massaging their principles or lack thereof to fit a specific audience or voting block. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
	Posted by olde north church to Jim Robinson; All On News/Activism 10/20/2007 8:53:41 PM EDT · 395 of 1,263 NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE By which standard is this true? Is this to say freedom is worth less than life? Is this to say self-respect is worth less than life? Is this to say principles are worth less than life? How many men, women and children have died to protect freedom? Is that to say they shouldn't have forfeited their lives so we could have freedom? Is that to say those who would not live under the yoke of oppression would have been better off if they would have willingly accepted tyranny and despotism? Is that to say one should abandon his or her principles to save one's life? I don't believe so. Martyrdom has a long history in defense of a cause. Paying a price with one's own life is often the necessary cost for principle. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Posted by olde north church to Jim Robinson; ex-snook; wagglebee; sofaman; All On News/Activism 10/21/2007 10:14:28 AM EDT · 651 of 1,263 As none of the arguments or responses to this point have been based on Constitutional principles but biblical principles instead, one can only come to the conclusion FR is a Christian Right forum disguised as a Conservative forum. As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it. In the same vein, as repulsive as homosexual acts are, there is no Constitutional prohibition. Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Posted by olde north church to EternalVigilance; wagglebee; All On News/Activism 10/21/2007 8:47:40 PM EDT · 920 of 1,263 One more time, due process can mean many things, including the state passing laws which would allow for abortion. PERIOD. That being said and true, in 33+ years since Roe, your method has done nothing to save a single life and in fact has set in place an abortion litmus test. I can only draw the conclusion you must find the status quo profitable. How much do your organizations collect stoking "abortion rage"? Post Reply | Private Reply | To 861 | View Replies

A third way for the religious right?
	Posted by olde north church to Muleteam1; All On News/Activism 10/24/2007 10:45:29 AM EDT · 33 of 70 Giuliani has not yet been nominated but if he is, the two Democratic voters that the GOP thinks will vote for him should replace my vote. The LA Times fails to realize that “narrow is the way” whereby Christians live their lives being marginalized. IF Giuliani does become the nominee, those Christians and/or Conservatives who decide to "stay home", vote third party or leave the presidential ballot empty, have in effect voted for Hillary, as the result is the same. They will have become willing accomplices in the destruction of this great nation and the blame will correctly be laid on the collective doorstep. They will have committed an evil act. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies

The Right to Life is an UNALIENABLE right granted to us by God
	Posted by olde north church to Jim Robinson; All On News/Activism 10/29/2007 10:38:22 AM EDT · 166 of 188 I am old enough to recognize when someone is attempting to pull the wool over my eyes. Many in the so-called "Right to Life" movement are nothing more than pretenders and agents-provocateur, seeking to sow the seeds of discord by placing a wedge issue within the ranks of the conservative movement. I would venture a guess that more infants have been murdered since 1973 than in the preceding 200 years in the United States. That can be squarely laid on the doorstep of pro-lifers who refuse to win the battle incrementally. I will reiterate my position, right-to-lifers have done nothing more provide a foundation to institute a basis for an abortion litmus test and have failed to inform the public about the rights of the unborn. It is better to educate than legislate. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies

[Kevmo]

Good post. Looks like Old North Church is the pretender here.

[Kevmo]

Is this some kind of inside joke?

And even in the title of the thread for all to see........tsk, tsk, tsk,.

Title of thread, (capitalization is in ORIGINAL) :
The Right to Life is an UNALIENABLE right granted to us by God

[Kevmo]

Is this some kind of inside joke?

And even in the title of the thread for all to see........tsk, tsk, tsk,.

Title of thread, (capitalization is in ORIGINAL) :
The Right to Life is an UNALIENABLE right granted to us by God

[olde north church]

I stand behind every one of my statements. I have a major problem with the "right to life" industry. We can't save everyone so we save no one? That's the strategy of a mad man or one who understands the profitability of an emotional issue.

Would you have turned away a Jew from your door because you couldn't keep every Jew out of the gas chamber?

[Kevmo]

Fine, then come over here and comment on my proposal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1917001/posts?page=53#53

[wagglebee]

I stand behind every one of my statements.

Maybe it has escaped your notice, but NOBODY else seems to be willing to stand behind your comments.

We can't save everyone so we save no one?

Nobody is suggesting that.

That's the strategy of a mad man or one who understands the profitability of an emotional issue.

You seem to have this recurring theme that members of the pro-life movement are somehow becoming wealthy as the result of it. Can you cite examples of this? I doubt you can. I know a lot of people in the pro-life movement who are wealthy, but this is not the source of their wealth and these people are extraordinarily generous with their time and money.

Would you have turned away a Jew from your door because you couldn't keep every Jew out of the gas chamber?

More fallacious reasoning. Your notion of "incrementalism" does NOTHING to stop a SINGLE abortion. As I've said before, incrementalism is for liberals, if conservatives believed in it we would still have slavery.

[olde north church]

In the interest in continuity, I'll comment here:

You proposal has promise in reducing the number of abortions.

[olde north church]

1. What response is your comment regarding my standing alone supposed to do? Join the wrong side of the debate? Hardly.

2. Who has made money on the Pro-Life side of the debate? Should I start with the Catholic church, well let's just say most churches know the abortion issue is worth another buck and a half in the basket. How many right to life organizations sending out envelopes? The money is there, what's that old line about being shocked about the gambling?

I may not agree with your position but I don't doubt your honesty or your intellect.

3. It's not about incremental-ism, it's about education. Don't try to redefine my position. Your absolutism has saved fewer than education.

[harrowup]

...If you don’t buy into the platform, you’re not even a republican, you’re an opportunist.

The two of you need to read what is written before failing to comprehend. You're wasting my time.

[AwesomePossum]

"Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. No serious scholar, including one disposed to agree with the Court's result, has argued that the framers of the Constitution intended to create such a right." Ronald Reagan

"As we continue to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, we must also continue to lay the groundwork for a society in which abortion is not the accepted answer to unwanted pregnancy. Pro-life people have already taken heroic steps, often at great personal sacrifice, to provide for unwed mothers." Ronald Reagan

" The Congress has before it several measures that would enable our people to reaffirm the sanctity of human life, even the smallest and the youngest and the most defenseless... The Human Life Bill expressly recognizes the unborn as human beings and accordingly protects them as persons under our Constitution." Ronald Reagan

"The Respect Human Life Act, just introduced in the 98th Congress, states in its first section that the policy of the United States is 'to protect innocent life, both before and after birth.'" Ronald Reagan

"I have endorsed each of these measures, as well as the more difficult route of constitutional amendment, and I will give these initiatives my full support. Each of them, in different ways, attempts to reverse the tragic policy of abortion-on-demand imposed by the Supreme Court ten years ago. Each of them is a decisive way to affirm the sanctity of human life." Ronald Reagan

"I have often said we need to join in prayer to bring protection to the unborn. Prayer and action are needed to uphold the sanctity of human life." Ronald Reagan

"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning." Ronald Reagan

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