Rudy's Pants On Fire (9/11 Commission testimony exposes Giuliani's lack of terrorism knowledge)

Village Voice ^ | October 23, 2007 | Wayne Barrett

[dforest]

Their promise, Liz, is that if we all run out and vote for a well known lib this time, we will get our way down the road.

Yeah, right. LOL

[narby]

Ya mean that "fringe."

No. I mean the fringe that is throwing a childish fit because they're afraid they won't get everything they want in a candidate next year. The fringe that's talking about third parties, and staying home and letting Hillary win because of some sacred principles.

Someone once said the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. Conservative principles shouldn't drive conservatives to political suicide either, and vitriolic attacks on potential presidential candidates are suicidal.

Campaign in favor of your favorite nominee, but attacks on Republicans should be viewed as out-of-line with intelligent political action. I'm amazed there are so many freepers that are so politically dense that they don't understand how the system works, or believe that somehow they don't need the political system as it exists.

Political parties are the only means to power in this country. Conservatives have zero voice in the Democrat party, which leaves them with the Republicans. Conservatives should push to have their views heard within the party, but blindly damaging Republican chances next year by demonizing potential candidates today is just plain stupid for any long term conservative goals.

Even if the BS around here that Guiliani really is equivalent to Hillary (and I don't believe that is the case at all), it would still be in conservatives best interests to do everything in their power to elect him, because it empowers the whole party, and diminishes the Democrats.

[longtermmemmory]

but Luntz on FNC told us RhodhamGuiliani is a lock!!!!(/s)

[narby]

The left has generally always been in charge of those institutions [Hollywood and academia]

Really. The same institutions that gave us "30 Seconds over Tokyo". The same institution that gave us any number of John Wayne movies. The same academia where the Ivy League schools were once primarily religious schools? You need to learn some history.

[dforest]

Yes , they have always thrived in those elements. You may never be able to take those institutions, so you marginalize them politically.

This would describe the FR fight against the Dixie Chicks.

[Liz]

We ain’t buying THAT kettle of rotten liberal fish.

[calcowgirl]

Let me know when conservatives actually begin to take such actions as a goal, not merely whine that a Republican politician is not socially conservative enough, while they damage the political party that will be their vehicle back into the mainstream, if they ever become wise enough to take that journey.

Do you think opposing Giuliani is damaging the political party?

I think the opposite. Giuliani will do more to destroy the GOP than any democrat could dream of! Look no further than Schwarzenegger, who is almost indistinguishable from Al Gore. It will take decades for California to recover from the damage that man has done to the GOP.

[longtermmemmory]

“Giuliani is Hillary” is enough of a non-negotiable fact of life that your same realism analysis should immediatly discount Giuliani as a viable candidate.

Voting is a personal act and statement to most people. I would dare say it is alost on a personal level of confession. Thus for some people it is just impossible to vote for a candidate who has so MANY unacceptable positions.

That is a simple fact of life.

Giuliani winning the nomination is defeat. People will simply treat the election like going to the movies. Some will stay home, some will just do something else, and a few will pick the least offensive movie.

[calcowgirl]

Even if the BS around here that Guiliani really is equivalent to Hillary (and I don't believe that is the case at all), it would still be in conservatives best interests to do everything in their power to elect him, because it empowers the whole party, and diminishes the Democrats.

Utter BS. With Giuliani as a leader, he would pursue his liberal and authoritarian agenda and label it with an "R." Nothing is more destructive than an enemy within. As I said, look no further than Schwarzenegger as the most recent example.

[calcowgirl]

I had never seen Luntz before that last debate. His twisting was unbelievable!

But, I’m sure he’s very objective in his polling. (NOT!) lol

[SUSSA]

The far Left hates Nixon and Bush, that doesn’t mean they are conservatives. Nixon and Bush advanced more of the Left’s issues than Clinton and Carter were able to do. Yet they love Clinton and Carter but hate Nixon and Bush.

The Left will attack anyone who isn’t a Democrat no matter how liberal they are. If Ted Kennedy ran as a Republican, they’d hate him.

[dforest]

Mainstream is giving up, it is surrendering oneself to having no opinion, no particular dream of success, no heartfelt need to preserve liberty and the right to life for all Americans.

Mainstream is mediocrity and nothing else.

It is a spark with no fire.

The Rudy campaign wishes to instill the mindset of mediocrity, and submission to it, upon the wonderful conservatives who wish to preserve what our founders created. I am not going to willingly submit to their depressing ideas.

I am proud of all of us that are not willing to accept that fate.

[Liz]

Rudy is having these "Come to Jesus" moments" but only when he thinks
about losing the primaries. These are temprorary blackouts Rudy will have no
memory of (if by some fluke, he ever gets near our WH).

" P-l-e-a-s-e make me sound conservative."

"Who knew? My stupid advisors told me I didn't need those redneck gun
nuts and dumb Christian conservatives to make a primary showing."

"Man, they're killing me just b/c I had three wives, several mistresses,
was honored by NARAL, donated to Planned Parenthood, and marched
for gay rights under the NAMBLA banner, and appointed gays and
pedophiles to top city jobs."

[calcowgirl]

I think Mainstream is just napping, too busy trying to earn a living to see what is happening in many cases. I just hope they wake up before it is too late.

Folks who think that Party should trump "sacred principles" simply don't understand conservatives, IMO. The Party will succeed by embracing those principles and representing the people, not by shoving the same liberal agenda down everyone's throat because they want to be the next one sitting in the throne ruling over country.

[calcowgirl]

RINO Conference. LOL.

[COgamer]

“I mean the fringe that is throwing a childish fit because they’re afraid they won’t get everything they want in a candidate next year.”

Would you support a candidate who believed in a constitutional right to molest children? No? But we should support one who believes in a constitutional right to MURDER children? People like you, with no values and with “beliefs” that change in the political wind, are what is driving the conservative movement out of the GOP.

[longtermmemmory]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1918289/posts

Luntz has been recruited by FNC to look for focus group participants.

Given his personally wacked bias, a few Freepers on the focus group should help bring clarity.

(ie Hillary is a Socialist, Ronpaul is insane, taxes are bad...)

[dforest]

You have that exactly right. Mainstream is asleep, they will accept what is thrown at them, then gripe at those who let the worst happen while exonerating themselves of any responsibility. Problem is, by the time they realize it, it is too late to go back. And so the story goes, yet here we are. People are still waiting for someone else to do something about it.

Well, we are trying.

That is the problem with the US, my opinion.

[longtermmemmory]

The fact that most of the must vote for Giuliani regardles promoters fail to see is that even if they can convince SOME people to vote for Giuliani, they can NEVER EVER convince enough. Giuliani DOES bring a third party candidate to split off votes, Giuliani DOES bring the stay home republicans, and Giuliani DOES turn off all the coat tails.

Giuliani is not not a defeat as a presidential candidate, he has negative coat tails.

that is why,

NO Giuliani, NO PROBLEM.

The GOP primary IS the presidential race. Of course this menas all the dead end candidates like mccain, paul, tancredo, hunder, and huckabee have to be jetisoned.

[calcowgirl]

IMO, it is people like Luntz who have helped politics reach an all time low.

I don’t disagree about bringing clarity, but I think the whole thing has turned into a circus.