Posted on 10/22/2007 6:40:16 PM PDT by dufekin
Yes, it might be similar to some of what we have been seein happen in Iraq recently.
I think it was really cheap as a Borders-printed paperback, IIRC. Ping me tomorrow and I’ll look for it when I’m at home.
It was many years ago I studied the Spanish Civil War. If you’re interested, the standard work then was by Hugh Thomas, ‘The Spanish Civil War’ (a huge work). The standard work on Spanish fascism and Jose de Rivera then was ‘The Falange’ by Taylor.
They have discovered our system carries the very real possibility of them losing the ground gained through manipulation and demagoguery in the first place, and they are determined not to let that happen "by any means necessary."
Sorry, on Spanish fascism the cite should be Payne, ‘Falange, A History of Spanish Fascism.’
Yes, I am familiar with ‘Homage to Catalonia.’ Of course, Orwell’s experiences didn’t stop him from being a leftist, just made him anticommunist.
I've often wondered about that as well. You'll get a myriad of answers to that question but to me its simply that they were unable to recognise evil so long as it benefitted them.
The scary thing is that in hindsight the evil of Hitler is so clear, but was that so in 1933? Today the evil is clear enough but there are so many that stand to gain from it.
It could win in '08.
To be fair, the Denver columnist may have been being at least a little ironic, maybe even critical:
Audacious. Profane. He won.
By Diane Carman Denver Post Staff Columnist Article Last Updated: 10/06/2007 11:26:03 PM MDT
Twenty-year-old J. David McSwane is the future of journalism. Smart. Confident. Audacious. Opinionated. Brief.
Very brief.
He writes tight.
Short sentences.
Readers can finish an editorial in three seconds.
Its impact lasts weeks.
...
Are we in a "cold civil war?" I don't know. Things were a lot worse forty years ago.
I just ordered a used copy of HTC off of Amazon.
Thanks. BTW, I had the chance to hitch hike all over Spain in the summer of 1976, a very interesting year in modern Spanish history.
We may see the Civil War start in Europe, as they are closer to the point where those who work will no longer be able to support those who won't.
The fall of a welfare state tends to be messy and violent, as those who have an entitlement mentality become enraged when reality intrudes
Which is the scenario the Dems and MSM would like to see
I agree that Rudy supporters would rather vote for a social conservative than vote for Hillary
In 1933, many members of the middle class were FAR more worried about the Communists, and embraced Hitler as the only candidate who was serious about stopping them. Keep in mind that Germany experienced an attempted Communist revolution a few years earlier in 1919, a bloody Communist revolution occured in Hungary in 1919. Germans in contact with ethnic German relatives in Russia and Ukraine were hearing about the purges, killings, and the Ukrainian terror famine, etc, etc. People were scared enough to elect ANYBODY who seemed a strong leader
Considering some of Monica’s pictures, I don’t think Bill did all that well.
Ah, cool. I was going to mail you mine, if I could find it. I think I may have loaned it out, though. It’s not sitting where I expected to find it.
I’ve had good luck buying used out of print books through Amazon. I think it’ll be a keeper for sure.
If you haven’t read For Whom the Bell Tolls, I recommend it as well, even though Hemingway’s protagonist is a lefty.
And vice versa, to enthusiastically support the government taking any powers it wants to wage an ill-defined "War on Terror" while not trusting them to manage any part of the domestic agenda. Consistency requires that one identify as a statist or a libertarian - the "partial-sort-of-free-market-statist" we see in both parties today ends up adding ever more to the state's power, regardless of his reservations about doing so.
And of course, the only candidate expressing consistently anti-statist positions these days is the one who everyone thinks is an unrealistic loon. ;)
That thought has stayed in my head since and Setyn only solidifies that thought.
I am still predicting a "hot" civil war within 20 years.
More than one historian of the 1790s has speculated that if the “Republicans” had not won that there would have been civil war. The tie between Burr and Jefferson certainly dampened any revolutionary ardor, as it required Federalist aid to tip the balance. Wonder what Jefferson—as devious a politician as ever practiced the trade—really thought when he found out that Burr had double-crossed him?
There is an interesting book called ‘They Thought They Were Free’ by a journalist (I have forgotten the author’s name). It consists of interviews with a variety of Nazi Party members about why and how they joined the Party. There were a variety of reasons. The Nazis tried to be all things to all men.
Analysis of voting patterns in Germany leading up to 1933 shows the electorate becoming more and more radicalized. They were abandoning centrist parties and moving to the radical left and right, the Communists and Nazis.
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