C of E child abuse was ignored for decades

The Telegraph ^ | 21/10/2007 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

[ArrogantBustard]

Let me point out that this isn’t a Catholic or Anglican thing. This is about gays being attracted to positions of power and authority so they can leverage it for access to little boys.

Well, gawlly gee whiz!!!

Catholics have been saying that all along ... to the jeers of Protestants.

Now that it's your ox gettin' gored (so to speak) you're singin' the same tune.

Welcome aboard!

[NYer]

So, you’re now relieved that your gay priests are in good company? ....or just busting Anglican chops because you think that somehow rank-and-file Anglicans got some pleasure seeing Catholic gay priests get caught molesting boys - because it made them somehow better than you?

The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures released to The Associated Press offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down — the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.
Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

[Juana la Loca]

You are absolutely right. The AP has is reporting widespread sexual misconduct among teachers as well. This is not a Catholic problem, it is not an Anglican problem, it is a fallen humanity problem.

This is about predators seeking prey via the most efficient means possible: schools, churches, and youth programs like Little League, Boy Scouts, etc.

We need to pray for our Anglican brothers and sisters. We need to pray for the victims. We need to be ever-vigilant in protecting our kids from monsters like this.

Remember, the devil doesn’t come to you has a horned beast with a pitchfork in hand. He comes to you with a smile on his face to mask the evil within.

[RFEngineer]

“Now that it’s your ox gettin’ gored (so to speak) you’re singin’ the same tune.

Welcome aboard!”

What are you talking about?

[Jaded]

There are plenty of people here who blame Catholic doctrine for the problem. They claimed loudly and often that married priests/ministers don’t engage in that sort of depravity.

[RFEngineer]

“There are plenty of people here who blame Catholic doctrine for the problem. They claimed loudly and often that married priests/ministers don’t engage in that sort of depravity.”

Why not engage them directly? call them out. Nobody with half a brain seriously believes that Catholic doctrine causes gays to molest little boys.

Just because a couple of Catholics on this thread are bitter at ALL Protestants because a couple of idiots blamed molestation on the Catholic church doesn’t mean that they represent ALL Catholics either.

That’s not even the real story on this thread.....lest we forget.....

[Jaded]

Engage them? Where were you? That’s been done repeatedly. If you knew the story you’d know they weren’t “little boys”. It was about gay men and teenage boys. There was actually a new name coined for these sexual deviants, ephobophiliacs.

The REAL STORY is that Anglican clergy and their bishops are doing the SAME THING. It’s much easier to track than other Protestant denominations where there is no “convention structure”.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“OK, let me get this said and out of our system, so we can deal with the serious issue of child abuse by authority figures: “If only the priest and wardens were not celibate and could marry this would not be a problem””

None of this has anything to do with celebacy - it has to do with the human condition of the heart and soul. Being a priest at any level in any communion does not prevent or make one immune to base human conditions of sin. Only a deep, personal relationship with God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit changes hearts and counters our sinful nature.

God is Love. Jesus said there is one law - “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.” Remember that the word “Love” here is the Greek word “Agape” - unconditional love, that is beyond “Phileo”, that is beyond “Eros”. Humanly we know Phileo and Eros. God is Agape. Agape will do nothing to hurt our neighbor, or ourselves.

We can do none of that if we do not love ourselves. Then we can love our neighbor and our God with all our heart. Then we can begin to let our relationship with God take precidence and we no longer have the desires of an audulterer, a pedofile, a whoremonger.

Certainly the issues need to be addressed. Sin is sin. No church, no communion, is immune to any of this. We see it all around us. With the position the Angilican Church, especially in America, has taken on “gay” or “lesbian” (it used to be called “queer”) is it any surprise that pedophilia is an issue now too?

[ArrogantBustard]

Why not engage them directly? call them out.

ROFL!!!! Where have you been? We've been doing that, on this forum for a very long time. The ignorami continue to spew their ignorance.

Nobody with half a brain seriously believes that Catholic doctrine causes gays to molest little boys.

DUH!!! Again, we (Catholics) have been saying that for a very long time. Again, where have you been?

[RFEngineer]

“DUH!!! Again, we (Catholics) have been saying that for a very long time. Again, where have you been?”

If you’ve called them out, and you’ve engaged them with your best arguments but were unsuccessful, then....DUH....They don’t get it, nor are they likely to, being idiots.

But DUH.... don’t include me, I never said it. Nor is it a universal Protestant belief that Catholics encourage gays....so....

What is your problem? Are you just happy that your priests are in good company, or is there some point you’d like to convey that doesn’t involve the same idiotic broad-brush statements that you have been complaining about?

[RFEngineer]

“The REAL STORY is that Anglican clergy and their bishops are doing the SAME THING. It’s much easier to track than other Protestant denominations where there is no “convention structure”.”

You appear to be as kookie a Catholic as the idiot Protestants you complain about.

Does that make you feel better, or validated that gay Protestant clergy behave just like gay Catholic clergy?

Do you really think that ALL Protestants sat back and revelled in Catholic scandal?

We Protestants are far too busy with our paranoid delusions about the Pope and handling snakes to worry about Catholic scandals.

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[ArrogantBustard]

They don’t get it, nor are they likely to, being idiots.

I'm glad we can agree that they're idiots. And I'm glad to see some Protestants publicly recognising that "the problem" had to do with militant homosexuals, not paedophiles or the presumed deficienceis of Catholic practice.

I would have liked to see such public recognition a few years ago.

[PAR35]

I would say post two made an astute observation.

No, it didn't.

I'd be surprised if Jeff Chandler claimed that it did.

It is a commentary on some of the posts that appeared on the Catholic threads during their recent legal problems.

[Jeff Chandler]

I would say post two made an astute observation.

No, it didn't.

Hey, I'll take a compliment any way I can get it.

[PAR35]

Hey, I'll take a compliment any way I can get it.

OK, you were first in with the comment. So you have good reaction time.

How's that?

[tioga]

I am a Catholic. The local priest molested a large number of our boys. It happens. All points are worthy of consideration.

[HighlyOpinionated]

Has someone already listed this story from FoxNews (I'm sure someone has) Report: Sexual Misconduct Plaguing U.S. Schools?

Beyond the horror of individual crimes, the larger shame is that the institutions that govern education have only sporadically addressed a problem that's been apparent for years.

"From my own experience — this could get me in trouble — I think every single school district in the nation has at least one perpetrator. At least one," says Mary Jo McGrath, a California lawyer who has spent 30 years investigating abuse and misconduct in schools. "It doesn't matter if it's urban or rural or suburban."

Next time someone mentions homosexual "priests" I'll be sure to talk about child predators that the two Teachers' Unions and the entire school system protects. School child predation averages to three active predators every day school is in session in grades K through 12.

[ELS]

If only Anglican priests were allowed to marry, this wouldn’t have happened.

Hey, that is Arthur's line. ;-)

[RFEngineer]

“I would have liked to see such public recognition a few years ago.”

Don’t blame other Protestants, as you have found me out. I am “the problem” and it’s all my fault. Please accept my sincerest apologies.