Desert Museum to fly both flags again

AZSTARNET ^ | 13 OCT 2007 | Brady McCombs

[radar101]

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[azhenfud]

So long as US Flag code is adhered to, I’ve no problem and both flags of equal size and flown at equal heights is correct. They should be also reminded under the code the Stars and Stripes is always to be the first to be hoisted and the last to be lowered.

[facedown]

It's a private, non-profit organization so they can do pretty much what they please. An Introduction to ASDM

Then again, the public can chose not to visit.

[Riley]

I’d be surprised if they adhered to that. I’ve seen uniformed Park Service people, from whom one might expect better, just haul it down, crumple it up and stuff it under their arm to walk back to the facility. I usually offer to help fold it- and I take the stripes end to do a proper job of it.

I’m not unfamiliar with this area, and I’ve been to this museum. It’s really quite nice, and I’d go again- as I have an interest in such things.

[Dante3]

BUMP

[mtbopfuyn]

The flags have flown side by side since 1954. Museum officials believe the Mexican flag was a gift from a Sonoran governor.

As if the board members didn't already present themselves like morons. What a load. That must be some super duper fabric for it to still be flying.

[mtbopfuyn]

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http://www.desertmuseum.org/invaders/invaders_scientist.htm

[nyyankeefan]

The U.S. and Mexican flags are going back up at the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum....

as long as the US flag flies above the mexican flag!!!!

[Bogtrotter52]

And how much money does Mexico contribute?

[beef]

I do not hate Mexico. I just want them to respect us and our laws, especially when they are in our country, just like they expect us to respect their laws when we are in their country. Is this really too much to ask?

[sasafras]

“Is this really too much to ask?”

Yes it is because Jorge Bush could care less about our laws or your security. You may not hate Mexico, but as soon as you are attacked or injured by an illegal Mexican alien you might start hating the RINOs and Bush. They could care less about you, America or the real WOT at home.

[razorback-bert]

threats to the museum's animals

My dog just ignores my threats.

[Bear_Slayer]

Agreed.

As long as the Stars & Stripes are honored by protocol above the Mexican rag.

[Colorado Doug]

If these same idiots ran a museum in the Old South, I wonder how much they would fight to display any Confederate flags.

[rbosque]

We’re on American soil. The Mexican flag can be shredded up and be used in the bathroom as toilet paper. It’ll save a tree.

[PAR35]

as long as the US flag flies above the mexican flag!!!!

So you want them to violate the Flag Code?

You have read the Flag Code, haven't you - it specifies separate flag staffs.

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

http://www.legion.org/?section=our_flag&subsection=flag_code&content=flag_position

[isthisnickcool]

** Warning - Long and what some may consider boring post..

Well, well. Another US “charity” with a special tax status. Do they help people? Maybe feed someone? Give them shelter? Comfort the sick and dying? Or are they another of the 1.5 million nonprofits that are really just another business that leeches off the taxpayer by pretending to be a “charity” via our nonprofit laws? Should the folks pay no income taxes? Receive tax deductible donations? Obtain various grants? Get taxpayer subsidized postage, etc? You be the judge (see below after the next bit of ranting).

The US taxpayer allows them to play in the desert and have an obviously very fun time. !!!! - If they were in Mexico and wanted to wok under a Mexican nonprofit (Asociación Civil) they likely would not even exist. Nonprofits in Mexico are very difficult and complicated to setup and there is no reason to set one up anyway because the government won’t give them any special benefits like in the US. The Mexican government won’t even allow for REAL charities to operate in Mexico? If they did and allowed rich Mexicans to donate money and get a tax break then you’d have money going in to groups to help the poor in Mexico. Mexico does not want that! They want their poor and ignorant people to come get help from the gringos!

The gringos have REAL charities that will give illegals free stuff an that’s besides what the US government will give illegals. FYI, statistically, Mexicans don’t give to charities or volunteer at all. See here:

http://www.civicus.org/new/media/mexico.pdf

OK. Now here is the US IRS 990 data on our little desert museum in Arizona. Data they don’t seem to want to publish on their own web site. I could not find it there. Nor could I find any indication that anyone but Americans and the American taxpayer keep these people in pretty high cotton.

Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum

employer id - 86-0111675

IRS 990 - Year - 2005

$16,624,768 - Gross receipts

$2,368,398 - Direct Public Support

$4,680,556 - Program Service Revenue including government fees and contracts

$1,248,725 - membership dues and assessments

$398,763 - Interest on savings and temporary cash investments

$28,545,999 - Net Assets or fund balances at end of year

$3,739,968 - Salaries and Wages

$419,000 - Other employee benefits

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$31,824,091 - TOTAL ASSETS (year End)

$3,278,092 - TOTAL LIABILITIES (year end)

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Robert Edison - Exec. Admin Director:

Compensation - $148,000 / $2,990 benefits / $11,000 Expense account

40 hr week

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Richard C. Brusca - Exec. Program Director

Compensation - $148,000 / $3,724 benefits / $12,000 Expense account

40 hr week - Read this link and explain to me how he can work 40 hours a week at the “museum” while doing all this other stuff:

http://www.desertmuseum.org/center/scidept_cv_brusca.php

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Kathryn A. Riser-Fridlind - CFO

Compensation - $85,078 / $2,552 benefits /

40 hr week

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Christine F. Conte - Director of CSDS

Compensation - $72,100

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Margaret Bundy - HR Director

Compensation - $68,248 / $2,048 benefits /

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$11,641,661 - Stocks /Securities / Hedge Fund

[calex59]

You have read the Flag Code, haven't you - it specifies separate flag staffs. (g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

This is NOT the US flag code. You are talking about the UN flag code for flags displayed on UN soil. Any flag displayed on American soil must be flown below the American flag. International flag code doesn't apply to flags on US soil, we have our own flag code for flying flags on American soil, read it, you might learn something.We are a soveriegn nation and will remain so as long as there is a conservative alive to draw breath.

[calex59]

Just for your edification, this is from the US flag code. Read it, it is self explanatory.

# No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

Notice, the only place flags can be flown at the same prominence as the US flag is on UN soil. We do not recognize "international" flag codes as overriding our flag code.

[Mr Rogers]

There is nothing wrong with the Desert Museum. It is about the plants and animals of the Sonoran desert - and that includes Mexico.

It is a small but very nice zoo. We have a lot of zoos getting public support. I’ve been to Tucson’s Zoo and the ASDM, and the ASDM is the one I go back to regularly.

Not everything is politics.