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Victims Sought Protection Prior To Shootings (Told to get restraining order; were murdered later)
Local 6 (Florida) ^ | September 26, 2007

Posted on 09/27/2007 3:01:39 PM PDT by Stoat

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To: Lancey Howard
Couldn’t they at least borrow somebody’s gun? Or go to Wal-Mart and get a shotgun?
Sheesh.

Well, if the law requires a waiting period then Wal-Mart would be out of the picture, as would also be the case if there was a legal issue in either of their pasts which would preclude a legal firearms purchase.

If they were limp-wristed, pantywaisted liberals then they most likely wouldn't even know anybody who owned a gun.

A completely needless waste and most likely easily prevented, despite the inability of the police to help.

Smith and Wesson has some nice-looking new models this year....I've been thinking of expanding my collection   :-)

61 posted on 09/27/2007 11:25:24 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Dial 911 and die...


62 posted on 09/27/2007 11:26:31 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: MarkL

Once upon a time back in deep East Texas I had a schoolmate. We’ll call him Loy. Loy was a black guy that was well-known in our community — good-natured and fun-loving, but a bit of a troublemaker. Nothing major, you understand — he just played a little pool and drank a bit. We white kids all liked Loy all right, and he was popular among the black kids at school as well.

Anyway, a few years after we graduated from high school, while I was away in the Navy, I got a letter from a friend saying that Loy had killed a guy. It seems that old Loy had taken a fancy to a friend’s wife, and sure enough they had started having an affair. Things had gone on this way for several months, until the husband (Loy’s friend) had found out about his wife stepping out on him to be with Loy. Then everything went a little crazy.

It happened this way: one afternoon Loy was shooting pool in this little shack-type bar down in Wamba. (Wamba, pronounced “WAM-bee”, is an unincorporated community, located north of Texarkana down in the riverbottoms. The population of Wamba is almost entirely black.) As Loy lined up a shot, the screen door to the bar flew open, causing Loy and the other bar patrons to look up. In the doorway was the cuckolded husband with a deer rifle in his hands.

“I’m gonna kill you, Loy _______!” he screamed.

Unfortunately for him, Loy took such threats seriously. He knew his friend had found out about the affair, and he had taken steps to prepare in case a confrontation came. As the jealous husband made his threat, Loy bent down behind the pool table, picked up the twelve-gauge shotgun he had brought with him, and promptly blew the jealous husband’s head off.

The arrest went by the book. The police came, Loy was cuffed, witnesses were interviewed, and the body removed. The DA charged Loy with murder and ordered him to be confined in the county jail in Boston until his trial.

Now, Bowie County is not exactly a hotbed of diversity and tolerance, and a black guy accused of murder can pretty much expect to be found guilty, whether he did it or not. When the trial date finally came, an all-white jury had been empaneled, and Loy’s trial began at the Boston courthouse. It went quickly.

The verdict: not guilty. The killing was ruled as homicide in self-defense, and Loy was released.

And that’s pretty much it. I haven’t been back to Bowie County in many years, and am no longer in contact with anyone living there. I don’t know if things are better there or worse. For all I know, old Loy’s still there in Wamba, shooting pool and schtupping other people’s wives.

MORAL: Even if you’re a black guy living in a backwards-ass, segregated place like Bowie County, Texas, if a guy threatens to kill you in front of witnesses, you’re allowed to blow his head off before he gets a chance.

True story.


63 posted on 09/27/2007 11:59:35 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B4Ranch

I should have said more range than the average handgun.

In a residential setting, ie. the living room, a crossbow, is as accurate or even more accurate than a handgun.

At 50 to 100 yards there is rarely a need for self-defense. At fifty yards you have to be a practiced shot with either a handgun or a crossbow (or real lucky). Most situations are pretty close. If a person came through my door and I was 20 feet away with a loaded crossbow, the person would be in serious jeopardy.

With either a handgun or a crossbow the trick is having it ready. A handgun just needs to have the trigger pulled. A lot of people have it locked up, or unloaded, or otherwise unaccessible. If you are limited to a crossbow, you need to load it, as it should not be left with a shaft in it.

All you need is the strength to load the shaft and then you have one very lethal shot. A good quality compound crossbow with a thirty pound pull(thirty pounds at a minimum) is probably all you need. Fifty pounds would be better.

A lot of people miss with either a bow or a handgun. So you need a steady aim. I can just imagine what it would be like to be standing five to twenty feet in front of someone with a compound bow or compound crossbow pointed right at me. That would not be a good feeling.


64 posted on 09/28/2007 1:51:36 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: FreePaul

I did pay attention to what you wrote. The cops said that there was nothing they could do because they didn’t hear or witness the threat. Read the article again. Do you want the police throwing people in jail based on the unsubstantiated claims of a third party? I don’t.
“so called law enforcement people” HAHA. You should apply for a job as a talking head for TV news. You sound just like one of them, and have no more clue than they do.


65 posted on 09/28/2007 5:29:43 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: MEGoody
Yes, but evidence for what exactly? How long can the police hold someone for sending a single threatening text message? Not long, I suspect.

24 hours without charging them. and making a threat is still a crime.
66 posted on 09/28/2007 7:16:02 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

there was the text message. I’m sure if the police themselves had received such a text message they would be all over it.


67 posted on 09/28/2007 8:27:18 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: absolootezer0
24 hours without charging them. and making a threat is still a crime.

Okay. . .so he waits until hour 26 to kill them.

The police and courts are limited on what they can do in these situations. That's why it's a good idea to have a gun and know how to use it, particularly if you feel someone is posing a threat.

68 posted on 09/28/2007 9:22:57 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Stoat

Dimwits shoulda gone to the gun store, and bought shotguns instead of wasting their time with cops.


69 posted on 09/28/2007 9:24:38 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: MEGoody

in 24 hours, they could have had time to get defensive plans in place. like find and purchase a gun. find a different place to stay temporarily.
also 24 hours may have cooled the guy off, or may have given police enough time to find reason to hold him longer.
or, you could be absolootely right, and things would have happened exactly the way they did 1 day later, and people would be complaining about the police releasing the guy. *shrug*


70 posted on 09/28/2007 10:12:25 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: Mister Da
When hate-speech laws become the norm, most of us here at FR will be criminals, unable to protect ourselves.

But as long as we are criminals anyway, I intend to be a well armed criminal.

71 posted on 09/28/2007 10:59:24 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Ancient Drive

As usual these stories leave more questions than they answer. I didn’t see where the cops actually saw a text message. I may have missed it, but I thought the story stated that couple had received a text message threat, but it didn’t say anymore about it.
Also, the legal issues surrounding a text message has already been addressed by another poster.


72 posted on 09/28/2007 11:59:28 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: El Gato

Well, as a well armed criminal, you are far less likely to have your guns confiscated. I hope you get a few of them before they get you.

Do you know who Bizarro Superman was? Some days it seems like Bizarro World - everything is backwards.


73 posted on 09/28/2007 12:00:55 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: supercat

Yes, but most people who get restraining orders against insane people shouldn’t even bother, as the insane guy will kill them whether they have a gun OR a restraining order.


74 posted on 09/28/2007 12:33:16 PM PDT by darthyorktown (Support the President and our Troops!)
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To: darthyorktown
Yes, but most people who get restraining orders against insane people shouldn’t even bother, as the insane guy will kill them whether they have a gun OR a restraining order.

Suppose the police go to a person's home because that person shot an estranged boyfriend, allegedly in self-defense. The police might reasonably question whether the boyfriend had been invited and ambushed. If, however, the boyfriend had a restraining order against him, the notion that he was invited would become much less plausible.

75 posted on 09/28/2007 4:52:39 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat

Right on the mark SuperCat.


76 posted on 09/28/2007 8:08:32 PM PDT by darthyorktown (Support the President and our Troops!)
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