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Victims Sought Protection Prior To Shootings (Told to get restraining order; were murdered later)
Local 6 (Florida) ^
| September 26, 2007
Posted on 09/27/2007 3:01:39 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: RDTF
A restraining order tells the cops who to arrest after the murder. That’s all it is good for!
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posted on
09/27/2007 3:42:13 PM PDT
by
Mister Da
(The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
To: Stoat
Paper might wrap stone, but it is not very effective against sharp or piercing instruments.
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posted on
09/27/2007 3:47:02 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
To: Stoat
Michael Ruschak, 22, and Tiffany Barwick, 19, met twice with Seminole County sheriff's deputies on Monday, telling investigators that they feared for their lives because Barwick's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Allred, 21, sent them a threatening text message. Barwick was told to seek a restraining order. Michael should have gone out and purchased a decent pistol and shortsword or tomahawk (in case of 21 foot rule). Courts, laws and paper will never stop a determined attacker.
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posted on
09/27/2007 3:53:12 PM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...")
To: Stoat
I wonder what the Seminole County sheriff’s office would have done if a similar threat came in against someone in the department. What would they do if some local government employee had received the threat? We all know that the guy who sent the threat would be in custody until they decided he was harmless or he was charged with a crime. More proof that the “protect” part of law enforcement is non-existent.
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posted on
09/27/2007 4:16:50 PM PDT
by
FreePaul
To: Mister Da
And, as the Feds & states criminalize more & more behavior, it wont be long before most folks cannot own a firearmI wonder what kids on Ritalin and such will have on their record and whether it will disqualify them from owning a firearm.
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posted on
09/27/2007 4:30:05 PM PDT
by
Vinnie
(You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
To: Tammy8
I admire the sensible steps your family took. Very restrained.
To: Mister Da
A decent crossbow has more range than the average gun.
Just get two or three crossbows, put in a good huting arrow tip, and you are in business. They are also relatively quiet.
To: Stoat
They should have gotten a gun. Here's the lesson: NEVER EVER rely on the police to protect you. That's your job, not theirs. Period!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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posted on
09/27/2007 4:40:24 PM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: Chode
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/FLSL.pdf
If I understand the NRA summary of Florida’s gun regulations, a properly identified, qualified adult can buy a long gun with just an instant check. But there is a three day waiting period for a handgun and, will certain travel exceptions, you need a concealed carry permit to have a handgun on you outside your dwelling place.
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posted on
09/27/2007 5:06:03 PM PDT
by
Captain Rhino
( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
To: the invisib1e hand
I’m sure you would like a law that entitles the police to arrest, charge and hold without bail anyone who is “alleged to have made threats”. (/sarc?) The cops are only as competent as the society that grants them powers.
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posted on
09/27/2007 5:11:36 PM PDT
by
Steamburg
(Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
To: Stoat
The Seminole County Sheriff's Office said there was nothing the could have done to prevent the shootings 2 young people who might be alive now if they had armed themselves. Only fools rely on the police to keep themselves safe.
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posted on
09/27/2007 5:24:13 PM PDT
by
eldoradude
(Think for yourself!)
To: Ancient Drive
You people keep telling yourselves that.
Because it's true. Other than slapping the guy on the wrist for making threats or violation of a restraining order, there is nothing the police could do to provide protection. That's not what police do, nor what they are obligated to do under law.
The victims' protection is completely the responsibility of the victims.
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posted on
09/27/2007 5:46:10 PM PDT
by
Hazwaste
(Now with added lemony freshness!)
To: Stoat
Aren't there logs kept of sent text messages at the phone company?
Would arresting someone intent on multiple murder and charging them with a violation that draws a slap on the wrist really stop that person from carrying out their plans to kill?
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posted on
09/27/2007 5:48:57 PM PDT
by
Hazwaste
(Now with added lemony freshness!)
To: Captain Rhino
they needed a shotgun... back in the 70's i guess the DL was a defacto permit because you had to show proof of residence and proof of age to get one.
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:01:11 PM PDT
by
Chode
(American Hedonist)
To: Hazwaste
Would arresting someone intent on multiple murder and charging them with a violation that draws a slap on the wrist really stop that person from carrying out their plans to kill?Of course not, and I never implied such a silly thing. I was merely asking a question.
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:02:14 PM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
The “threatening message” may or may not even be a crime, but if it is, would be a misdemeanor, which, with certain exceptions, requires the person making the arrest to have observed the crime. The text messge by itself is, at best, hearsay.
Confront the sender and imagine the stories “i didn’t send it — someone must have been playing a joke using my phone” or variations of the above.
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:12:25 PM PDT
by
absalom01
(The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
To: Chode
Agree. But you also have to know how to use it and have the WILL to use it.
Given the victims relatively ages and how people are taught to deal with crisis these days in public schools, they probably had not handled a gun much (or ever) and were still discussing how to keep things legal when murder arrived for a visit.
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:14:19 PM PDT
by
Captain Rhino
( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
To: 2ndClassCitizen
In all honesty, hubby initially wanted to by pass most of the steps we ended up taking. The rest of the family had to convince him that SIL was not worth doing time. We were all in agreement that whatever it took my daughter would not end up dead.
We did make contact with LE, and also battered women’s shelter as part of the overall plan. Being realistic though we knew WE had to solve the problem- LEOs are too restricted in what they can actually do to ever think any other way.
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:22:09 PM PDT
by
Tammy8
(Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
To: Stoat
I was merely asking a question.
Sensitive much?
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:23:18 PM PDT
by
Hazwaste
(Now with added lemony freshness!)
To: Hazwaste
I was merely asking a question.
Sensitive much?Condescending much?
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posted on
09/27/2007 6:31:04 PM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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