Posted on 09/25/2007 9:02:17 PM PDT by Dallas
You don’t need expensive plates to make hydrogen from water, stainless steel plates will do. You don’t need large amounts of electricity either, 1.5 volts @ 2- 3 amps will create a good flow of hydrogen gas and oxygen. Salt helps improve conductivity.
Many have tried all sorts of variations and materials to improve the rate of gas generation to achieve “unity”, but the best they can do falls far short of that.
Google around, you’ll find all sorts of basement experimenters trying all sorts of silly things in the attempt to save the planet and stop global warming (none of them have more than a grade 8 education either it seems).
Some of them are quite funny.
Oh yes they are. Google around, you'll find them.
In the least it's a novel form of electrolysis but they're not publicizing it as such.
From what they're claiming it could be the RF is doing on the molecular level sort of what neutrons do at the atomic level in fission reactions. It could be the specific RF is used as a highly efficient catalyst for weakening the di-electric bonds in the water molecule allowing an energy state transition which produces more energy than required by the catalyst. In this case it's the energy from the H and O recombining rather than U breaking down.
If this was the case though he could just scale it up to run a small generator to produce the RF and his "look at this" demonstration would be a closed system with a net power output. To my mind the only thing which can do that to date is atomic fission. So yeah, until they publish the numbers it's probably just a new form of electrolysis and desalinization.
There are already commercial frequency generators on the market that can produces any frequency you want.
Why is his so special? It’s a scam. This has been done a 1000 times over already. (any why don’t they measure the power the thing sucks out of the wall socket to produce this special frequency?)
He’s just another Joe Newman, Dennis Lee, Tilley, Perendev, Bearden, Lutec, Tewari, Amin scam artist.
They all have ‘special’ free energy devices. It’s absolutely amazing however how many people these people manage to suck into giving them all their money.
Perhaps these devices do have some special powers- they suck the common sense out of everyone who see’s them.
I read in another article that it takes 200 watts to cause the separation that seems to be happening. What they haven’t released is how much energy is coming out. I agree that this is probably bad research (hello cold fusion), but everyone saying that the laws of thermodynamics automatically rule it out might be jumping the gun.
I don’t think this is an overunity type claim at all. I don’t see why it is automatic that it takes more energy to extract the hydrogen than is produced by burning it.
The claim is that the hydrogen is reaching 3000 degrees, but that is not put into context at all. I’m pretty sure that 200 watts of juice is more than is possible to get out of that 3000 degrees, but more info is necessary.
I don’t think this is a scam, probably just bad research. Unless they have found a way to drastically reduce the price of desalination. That could be useful.
Never mind. Someone explained the limits the hydrogen/oxygen recombination can reach. Now I understand why it takes more energy to generate the process than can come out of it. Just wasn’t thinking the process through.
The only hope for this is that it can reduce the price of desalination. If this is cheaper than conventional electrolysis it might be make hydrogen more affordable. I guess possible implication for fuel cells.
Yes, one is not going to get more Newtonian energy (H and O recombination) output than input. - 1st law of thermodynamics.
The 2nd law simply says that the conversion of the energy inputs cannot be 100% efficient, the loss is called entropy. But any process which can make electrolysis (free H) more efficient is critically important for the use of H as a energy carrier - which is all that any form of energy, including fission, on the planet is anyway. (fissionable material is the remnant, hence carrier, of the original supernova, fossil fuels are simply the carrier of the Sun's photosynthesis - which incidentally is very inefficient).
Although far beyond this article, or thread, it is possible that given the harnessing of fusion (H to He), and I for one want definitely think that a very long shot, the process could be intrinsic. In which case more sensible energy could be derived than input, because matter is created to energy.
I have not referred to any individual comments here, but the technical cynicism of many is truly depressing, and speaks very poorly of what this forum should expound.
Thanks for the questioning dialogue.
Bastards!
That is simply not a rational statement. Any energy company would pay billions for an invention such as this if it actually worked. They could make a whole lot more money selling salt water than they could drilling pumping, transporting, refining, and marketing oil.
Nope. The "fuel" used in a nuclear reactor is consumed; that is, converted into forms of matter which are at a lower energy level than the original matter. Eventually all the available energy is released and the system would stop.
Producing hydrogen for fuel is energy intensive. It takes more energy than you can get from burning it.
We could use nuclear power to generate energy to produce hydrogen from sea water but that would lower sea levels so much that global warming wouldn’t be detectable.
/sarcasm
I don't think so.
Buggy whip manufacturers probably had little interest in automobile engine development. Makers of slide rules played no part in the development of electronic calculators.
True breakthroughs in supplying the energy the typical American uses daily are likely to bypass the existing companies.
When the day arrives that a $1000 system can be placed on my roof to supply most of my power, I will be very surprised if any recognizable corporate name is attached. Not through lack of interest, but through lack of foresight.
Bingo! Provided of course that the Oligarchy doesn’t suppress the enterprise of the private world.
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