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Police Arrest Woman Allegedly Wearing Fake Bomb at Boston Airport
Fox News ^ | 09/21/2007

Posted on 09/21/2007 7:57:23 AM PDT by tsmith130

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To: raccoonradio
“I love to build things and I love crazy ideas,” she writes.

Apparently so. She should have let one of her crazy ideas remain at the "idea" level.
81 posted on 09/21/2007 12:19:36 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: tsmith130

As to be expected, some lib blogs are outraged. They are accusing the authorities of overeacting and not being intelligent enough to tell a fake bomb from a real one. And they are accusing the authorities of depriving her of her rights to free speech/artistic expression.


82 posted on 09/21/2007 1:09:52 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: tsmith130

Why was she allowed to live long enough togive an explanation?


83 posted on 09/21/2007 1:15:20 PM PDT by hope
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To: tsmith130

It looks nothing like a bomb. They screwed this up like they did the LED displays a few months ago. The fact that they don’t recognize what it is doesn’t make it a hoax bomb.


84 posted on 09/21/2007 2:21:03 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: Captain Rhino
. She's damn lucky, damn lucky not to be dead.

Go look at the pictures of the device. No, the cops are damn lucky they didn't shoot her, because it looks nothing like a bomb.

85 posted on 09/21/2007 2:22:11 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: tsmith130

My goodness, how twitchy our fellow citizens are becoming. It seems the terrorists are getting to us big time, to the point where average Joes are afraid of their own shadow, and ready to tar and feather fellow citizens on the slightest pretext (as numerous posts on this thread demonstrate so well).

This baying after adolescent odd balls is reminiscent of the reign of the yahoos from the Wilsonian age of terror.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0204f.asp
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0205f.asp

Murray Rothbard comments on the era (although he seems to have forgotten the repressive measures in place during the “late unpleasantness” of 1861-77, when dozens of Northern newspapers were shut down and many arrested and imprisoned for opposing armed suppression of the seceding states, and the ‘former states’ were turned into occupied military districts for several years until the Federal rulers could find and engineer the election of sufficiently compliant local politicians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction ).

Wilson’s Raiders
by Murray N. Rothbard

First published in Inquiry, 19 & 23 June 1980.

America’s entry into World War I was marked by a system of repression of dissent and civil liberties unprecedented in our history. The repression ranged from the jailing of thousands of critics of the war, most notably Socialist leader Eugene Debs, to banning the playing of Beethoven (a Hun), changing the name of sauerkraut to Liberty cabbage, and seeking to prohibit the teaching of the German language in the public schools (”Speech of Hated Hun Forbidden,” was how the press saw one such triumph). Leading the nationwide assault was the federal government; the executive branch also orchestrated councils and organizations on the state and local level, and gave official sanction to vigilante activities of superpatriots engaging in surveillance of their neighbors.

The parlous state of individual freedoms in the United States was sketched by H. L. Mencken in the early 1920s, when he satirically suggested what was “wrong” with civil libertarians from the viewpoint of the average American. The problem was that they were too dogmatic, too doctrinaire in the espousal of the Bill of Rights, a bunch of troublemakers and semi-anarchistic johnny-one-notes constantly bemoaning the alleged threats to liberty in this freest land on earth. In short, Mencken wrote in mock scorn, they were “the same fanatics who shake the air with sobs every time the Postmaster-General of the United States bars a periodical from the mails because its ideas do not please him, and every time some poor Russian is deported for reading Karl Marx, and every time a Prohibition enforcement officer murders a bootlegger who resists his levies, and every time agents of the Department of Justice throw an Italian out of the window…”

Establishment historians have long been rather embarrassed by this veritable reign of terror during and following World War I. For they have a particular problem: At the top of the pyramid of repression was none other than Woodrow Wilson, one of the great triad of “strong” presidents (the others are Lincoln and FDR) who are supposed to have brought America to its present pinnacle of preeminence. As Mencken put it, their attitude has been that Woodrow Wilson was the natural candidate “for the first vacancy in the Trinity.” What then to do about Wilson as commander in chief of the repression machine? Up until the last two decades, the solution was to levitate him above the carnage; not Wilson but his impetuous and reactionary advisers were to blame, both for the wartime repression and for the notorious Palmer “red raids” conducted well after the end of the war.

Fortunately, in recent years historians have been more willing to topple their idols. Paul Murphy’s new book is a welcome addition to the newer tough-minded literature on the suppression of civil liberties in the war. Woodrow Wilson is given the primacy and the major responsibility for the terror system that he so richly deserves. Murphy provides us with a competent and useful account of the suppression and the emergence of the organized civil liberties movement. Although his brief treatment lacks some of the juicy details of H. C. Peterson and Gilbert Fite’s Opponents of War, 1917–1918, Murphy is particularly good on an area relatively neglected in the other treatments: the reaction of lawyers and jurists to the civil liberties issue.

The discussion, however, is often skimpy, perhaps a function of the severe space limits that the otherwise excellent Norton series in American history seems to impose on its authors. The treatment of the Progressive period is scanty and unsatisfactory, with no discussion of the anti-anarchy laws that swept the nation after the assassination of McKinley, or of Teddy Roosevelt’s fortunately unsuccessful attempt to revive the charge of federal seditious libel against the New York World in 1910 for its exposé of his chicaneries in the Panamanian revolution. And there is no treatment of the Palmer raids of 1919–20, which clearly grew out of the wartime hysteria and continued it into peacetime.

There also might have been at least a mention of the fact that on the day war was declared, Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels managed to get Wilson to nationalize the radio waves and to place radio in Navy Department hands – where Daniels unsuccessfully tried to keep it after the war had ended. Or of the bizarre establishment by the War Department of its own lumber union, the Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen, as part of the government’s successful effort to crush the radical IWW. And Murphy misses the fact that the Post Office’s suppression of an issue of The Nation was a reaction against libertarian Albert Jay Nock’s editorial attacking leader Samuel Gompers for his pro-war activities within the international labor movement. Apparently, a mere criticism of Gompers was enough to get even a leading magazine banned from the mails.

But the major problem with Murphy’s book is his fundamental confusion about the nature of the Progressive movement that underlay the war effort and the war mobilization. Murphy seems torn between the older myths and the more recent insights about the Progressives, as witness his belief that this fundamentally militaristic and imperialistic movement had been at least half pacifist. And although he acknowledges the vital role of such classical liberals and anti-statists as Roger Baldwin and Oswald Garrison Villard in the battle against war and on behalf of civil liberties, he attacks classical liberal property rights theory as furnishing, in essence, protection to only the civil liberties of the “propertied.” What he misses is the fundamental Lockean axiom that every individual, by virtue of being human, has a “self propriety” – a property right in his own person, including his life and liberty. The argument that there can be no firmer groundwork than this for civil liberties for all, he doesn’t even bother to tackle.

Murphy’s crucial failure is in not understanding that the Progressive movement was a comprehensive drive for statism and big government across the board – in every area of American life, from the economy to foreign policy to the treatment of dissent, and even to sex and the consumption of alcohol. The movement was a coalition of certain big business groups and new circles of technocratic intellectuals, devoted to a planned and cartelized economy in which they would share the rule. The embracing of the war by John Dewey and countless other Progressive intellectuals was no incomprehensible betrayal of their reform ideals, but rather part and parcel of their vision of a nationalized future. In James Weinstein’s insight, the Progressives saw the war as the “fulfillment” of their cherished goals. And Progressive jurists, as Murphy only partly recognizes, were devoted not to the classical doctrine of property rights, but to governmental intrusion and interference with those rights.

And so Murphy misses the crucial fact that the entire Wilson administration was “progressive,” from the President on down. The greatest censors and oppressors during the war were Attorney General Thomas W Gregory and Postmaster General Albert S. Burleson, leading Texas progressives. Both were placed in their posts in Washington by the President’s mysterious alter ego, “Colonel” Edward M. House, long the grey eminence of the progressive wing of the Texas Democratic party. And the notorious A. Mitchell Palmer, who became attorney general in 1919, was a leading Pennsylvania progressive. From Murphy’s own account it is also clear that the members of the U.S. Supreme Court, which put its vital imprimatur on the wartime repression, were almost all progressives, including Chief Justice Edward D. White of Louisiana, Joseph McKenna of California, and William R. Day and John H. Clarke of Ohio.

One of Murphy’s welcome contributions, in fact, is to debunk the allegedly civil libertarian position of the sainted Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. As Murphy perceptively sees, Holmes’s progressive commitment to judicial realism and restraint meant that the courts could no longer serve as a bulwark of either property rights or civil liberties against government invasion. As Murphy states, Holmes revealed an attitude of “permissive majoritarianism and a commitment to judicial self-restraint,” and hence advocated “permitting the federal government and the states to use power positively to confront a variety of situations and to impose social control where necessary.” And since rights were supposedly “social and not natural,” Holmes was “fairly well in tune with the growing tendency in twentieth-century America toward community control, with its corresponding limitation upon individual freedom.” Yet Murphy is not convincing when he tells us that Holmes had been converted to supporting a civil liberties position by the time of the Abrams case in late 1919. During the Volstead Act (Prohibition) and other cases of the 1920s, Holmes was back at the same old “permissive majoritarian” stand.

The period of the First World War was a watershed in the evolution of the corporate-liberal warfare state. It saw the burgeoning not only of the government-business alliance in industry, and American militarism and globalism, but also of the ideology and apparatus of the national security state. In the years and crises to come, the threats to civil liberties would be systematized. As the latest depredations by the CIA, FBI, and other federal agencies show, these have far from disappeared.


86 posted on 09/21/2007 7:59:28 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: television is just wrong

MIT students have been doing a lot of experimenting with what you could call high-tech clothes lately. Perhaps one of those dresses threaded with fiber optics would have been a better fashion statement than something that could have been mistaken for a block of C4.


87 posted on 09/21/2007 9:04:35 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tsmith130
Leaving court after making bail:

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V127/N40/simpson.html

The bomb (green LEDs in star pattern — do they blink in a pattern?):



A real bomb:

You aren't supposed to notice a real bomb until it goes off.

Another example of a real bomb:

This is one of ours. It contains a pound and half of C4 and 700 ball bearings. The pushbutton thingy at lower left is the trigger, known as a clacker because of the sound it makes. It generates a pulse of electricity to set of the detonator. It contains no battery because even Coppertops have a shelf life.

88 posted on 09/21/2007 9:50:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
My goodness, how twitchy our fellow citizens are becoming

Nay, just watched one too many episodes of "24"

89 posted on 09/22/2007 5:16:40 AM PDT by Popman (Nothing + Time + Chance = The Universe ---------------------Bridge in Brooklyn for sale - Cheap)
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To: BearCub

If they had ignored it and it had been a bomb, what would we be saying today?


90 posted on 09/22/2007 5:18:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
If they had ignored it and it had been a bomb, what would we be saying today?

Well of course we'd be condemning the cops for not doing enough. But that's the point: The police seem to think they have only two options, ignore or overreact.

The proper response in this case would be to ask the girl what the device is and after a satisfactory explanation, let her go with it. To arrest her for non-criminal action s and charge her with a crime that requires intent when there clearly was none is ludicrous - and unfortunately, is a recurring theme with the Boston police.

91 posted on 09/22/2007 7:55:03 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: BearCub

OK, you walk up to the guy with the bomb and ask him what he is doing

But for God’s sake, please explain to me what this nutbag was doing.


92 posted on 09/22/2007 8:27:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
OK, you walk up to the guy with the bomb and ask him what he is doing. But for God’s sake, please explain to me what this nutbag was doing.

Appy, I'd agree with if the thing looked like a bomb, but it didn't. I have one of those breadboards sitting right next to me. It doesn't look like a bomb when you stick a dozen green LEDs on it. What it was was something the police couldn't identify because they are ignorant.

What was she doing? She was being an eccentric MIT student. Yes, she should have known that the Boston police might overreact, especially given their history.

93 posted on 09/22/2007 9:10:17 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: AppyPappy
But for God’s sake, please explain to me what this nutbag was doing.

A popular thing with many MIT engineering students, attaching electronics to their clothes.

94 posted on 09/22/2007 9:15:50 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: BearCub
The shirt alone was bad. But, let me ask you, why would she hold playdoh/putty if she was not trying to provoke a reaction?

From my perspective she was looking for a problem. Now she can deal with the consequences.

95 posted on 09/22/2007 9:18:13 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: BearCub

Bullshit. I’m looking right at it and my first thought is bomb. Especially attachd to clothes. Especially in an airport.

You know what else. I bet her intent was for people to think “bomb” as well.


96 posted on 09/22/2007 9:22:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: HollyB
This is a game of seconds, the police don’t have anytime to sit around their action my be quick and decisive. Once a terrorist realized they have been spotted off goes the bomb!
97 posted on 09/22/2007 9:28:11 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48
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To: Empireoftheatom48

I agree with you.


98 posted on 09/22/2007 10:28:22 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Popman

My goodness, how twitchy our fellow citizens are becoming

Nay, just watched one too many episodes of “24”

I read about this program somewhere; sounds like another “must-miss” time-grabber. That’s all I’ve done with network (or cable) TV since 1968 and, if you’re correct, it’s one more confirmation of the good fortune of having broken the TV habit back then. It took a little extra boost from wife, who persuaded me to take the TV her parents gave us for Christmas that first year after our marriage, and get a nice rocking chair in trade. We’ve never had cause to regret it, and many reasons to be glad it was never a fixture in our house as the children grew up.


99 posted on 09/22/2007 12:10:49 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: AppyPappy
Bullshit. I’m looking right at it and my first thought is bomb.

That's pretty dumb. I'm looked at it and said "breadboard with lights on it".

Once again, your ignorance of what it was doesn't make it a bomb. Some African natives are probably terrified of eyeglasses.

If her intent was to make people think "bomb" then she would have put classic "bomb-like" features on it. You know, red sticks, a clock or a countdown timer, coiled wires - the stuff a TV timebomb has on it. She's an MIT engineering student for bippie's sake! She could have made the damn thing look like a nuke if she had wanted to.

100 posted on 09/23/2007 6:36:56 AM PDT by BearCub
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