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Subprime lending to trigger world’s worst financial crisis since 1929
Asia News ^ | September 19, 2007 | Maurizio d'Orlando

Posted on 09/20/2007 4:55:46 PM PDT by NYer

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To: VegasCowboy

You appear to be an expert at mocking and derision not intelligent discussion. End of conversation.


441 posted on 09/21/2007 1:26:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Sorry, but if you are going to believe that such stuff is going on, I would expect you to be able to quote a credible source. There are not secret bankers meetings where these things are discussed. You should challenge this person to provide some proof for her claims, or at least a basis for her beliefs. Don’t believe her just because she works for a bank.

There is no discussion of this going on in the banking world. I read numerous banking periodicals, scan Bloomberg on a daily basis, attend industry conferences and correspond with investment bankers and community bankers all day long. The first I ever heard of the Amero was on this website. I believe these so-called conspiracy theories should be challenged, and if no proof is offered, I will occasionally resort to being a smart-ass. Probably not the best way to win an argument, but when you constantly are asked to prove a negative its sometimes all one can do.


442 posted on 09/21/2007 1:58:19 PM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: WoofDog123

Just edit the word friend by replacing it with CMO Trading coworker. Then the rest of the statements are clear of any nitpicks.


443 posted on 09/21/2007 3:21:32 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: NYer

Bookmark


444 posted on 09/21/2007 3:41:50 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Hostage
Your friends have the option of bringing their worthless paper to that window and getting cash at 5.25% in exchange.

For a short time, then they have to pay the money back.

The problem is with your friends who after holding the worthless paper and trading it for cash, decide to deploy that cash in future worthless paper.

Banks are going to borrow from the discount window to buy more CMOs? That's funny.

445 posted on 09/21/2007 3:47:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: NYer

Can someone smarter than I tell me what would happen to U.S. equities if the dollar collapsed? I mean, the companies would still have their underlying value - I presume their prices would inflate? What happened in Japan in the early 90s?


446 posted on 09/21/2007 3:50:54 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Oh I remember you, one of those that thinks they know it all but understand very little.

The CDO/CP bailout was just that, a bailout by the Fed. If you disagree then you can take your bleating argument to every hedge fund and trader on Wall St. because they know it was a bailout. The financial press has turned out abundant commentary to the fact that this was a bailout.

The banks that were involved may pay it back but not soon. The private equity groups caught holding bad paper will not be paying anything back because their worthless paper was put up as collateral, they were bailed out.

When you trade or invest, and you are allowed to turn your loss into federal reserve notes, you are going to exchange those notes for another trade or investment eventually, because your business is trading and investing.

The warning is not to trade or invest again in more speculative deals. How to stop that from happening? There is no ‘how’ other than to restrict the lending practices that preceded the bailout. And that is precisely what is happening with the closing of lending shops all across the spectrum.

But that won’t stop yet another set of ‘innovative’ risky financial practices from popping up again in the future, say in a few years. The cycle repeats. Wall St. and the Fed are joined at the hip.

These comments are for those reading and not for you. You have demonstrated in the past you value the chip on your shoulder more than rational discourse.


447 posted on 09/21/2007 4:24:29 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage
The CDO/CP bailout was just that, a bailout by the Fed.

Because a 30 loan on a portion of your collateral is a bailout? LOL!

The banks that were involved may pay it back but not soon.

How long do you think the discount window loans are for?

The private equity groups caught holding bad paper will not be paying anything back because their worthless paper was put up as collateral, they were bailed out.

At the end of the term of the loan, the borrowers will get the paper back and pay back the loan. With interest.

When you trade or invest, and you are allowed to turn your loss into federal reserve notes

How did they do that?

you are going to exchange those notes for another trade or investment eventually, because your business is trading and investing.

That's a nice fantasy you're spinning.

These comments are for those reading and not for you.

Hopefully the people reading the thread can tell you don't know what you're talking about.

You have demonstrated in the past you value the chip on your shoulder more than rational discourse.

Sorry if I made you look silly in the past by refuting your BS. If only you'd stop posting it, I could stop embarrassing you.

448 posted on 09/21/2007 4:34:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
a 30 day loan
449 posted on 09/21/2007 4:50:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

That’s par for your posting. More facts strewn about without a brain behind them.

The paper is held for 30 days and then renewed at the Fed’s discretion. They have stated it won’t be forever but it will certainly be for as long as their member banks need it to be. The deal was ‘you get the cash but show you are closing down your subprime operations and then pay back as soon as you can which is whenever you can’.

Private equity groups will pay back nothing because they posted the worthless collateral and the Fed holds that paper. The Fed may stipulate the loan be repaid but it will never be repaid. If you think otherwise, then it demonstrates what is already known about you. I expect you to show your ignorance here as in all things you post about.


450 posted on 09/21/2007 4:58:08 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage

sorry, I don’t know anyone who does or has done repos with the fed.


451 posted on 09/21/2007 5:01:04 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Hostage; Fan of Fiat; SAJ
The deal was ‘you get the cash but show you are closing down your subprime operations and then pay back as soon as you can which is whenever you can’.

I love the bailouts where you have to pay back the loan, with interest.

Private equity groups will pay back nothing because they posted the worthless collateral and the Fed holds that paper.

Private equity groups are not allowed to borrow at the discount window.

If you think otherwise, then it demonstrates what is already known about you. I expect you to show your ignorance here as in all things you post about.

See, you post errors about private equity groups borrowing at the discount window and then you claim I'm ignorant. You're funny! And wrong. Again.

452 posted on 09/21/2007 5:09:23 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: VxH; Borax Queen
Don’t mention that, they’ll call you a conspiracy nut. NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

too late.....I've been called that already because I don't believe everything that comes out of the governmental Propaganda Printing Press.

453 posted on 09/21/2007 5:10:02 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: capitalist229
Not only that but build some capital...

Yes, that, absolutely, too.

454 posted on 09/21/2007 5:10:57 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
...governmental Propaganda Printing Press.

That's EXACTLY what it is.

455 posted on 09/21/2007 5:11:17 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

Yeppers. It most soytently is.


456 posted on 09/21/2007 5:17:40 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

So what are the investors going to do with their dollar investments in the Middle East?


457 posted on 09/21/2007 5:22:57 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: nicmarlo

Hello. I have an itch....(snicker)


458 posted on 09/21/2007 5:24:11 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: jedward

*scratch scratch*

: )

Good to *see* you!


459 posted on 09/21/2007 5:29:33 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Toddsterpatriot

What a week! Monday started with “manipulated inelastic oil prices” and Friday ends with private equity groups borrowing at the discount window.

LOL!


460 posted on 09/21/2007 5:31:12 PM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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