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The Limits of Frederalism - Why you can't be a federalist and ignore medical marijuana.
Reason ^ | September 14, 2007 | Radley Balko

Posted on 09/17/2007 7:17:18 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: chaos_5
For get regulating, it is’nt suitable for human consumption under FDA rules.

That assumes the FDA is infallible, and its rules can't be revoked. Be that as it may, smoking is one of the quickest ways to deliver the active ingredient or ingredients. Even if smoking is problematic, at least one company made solutions of marijuana extract delivered by metered dose inhalers, like the ones used by folks with asthma and other chronic respiratory diseases.

41 posted on 09/18/2007 1:38:29 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

I love the irony! A Pothead writing in Reason magazine!


42 posted on 09/18/2007 1:46:17 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Redleg Duke
How do you know the author is a "pothead"? And where does the article show the lack of reason that you imply?
43 posted on 09/18/2007 2:47:59 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: familyop
People who misconstrue “federalism” are much farther to the social left.

Who has misconstrued federalism?

44 posted on 09/18/2007 2:49:21 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Redleg Duke
I love the irony! A Pothead writing in Reason magazine!

I'm amazed at the folks who think they can give back handed insults, e.g. your statement or the ban on online gambling, to libertarians, and then cry in their beer when the GOP loses Congress last November. IIRC, Conrad Burns in Montana and George Allen in Virginia lost their Senate seats by margins that were less than the votes in the Libertarian column in each state.

If you like irony, the author of the ban on online gambling in the House, Jim Leach, also lost his seat. Self identified conservatives are about one third of the electorate. Self identified small 'l' libertarians are about ten to fifteen percent of the electorate. We have more than enough enemies without alienating part of the GOP big tent.

Smackdown! By Independents & Moderates

45 posted on 09/18/2007 3:52:30 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Hoof Hearted
Do you really believe this, or do you just like to make things up?

Marijuana is Indian hemp... INDIA is in Asia...

Marijuana is not indigenous to North America.

46 posted on 09/18/2007 3:56:42 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: chaos_5; neverdem
If people want the stuff, let them grow it in their back yard. If they want to sell it to each other, thats fine too, just pay your income taxes.

My sentiments exactly. Legalize it for those over 21.

"Medical" marijuana is a con job, a huge crock of shiite.

But, even though you might think it should be completely legal for adults, the druggie fascist will scream bloody murder if you think any other way than they do...

That's only partly why I hate druggie scums...

Here is the other part:

I had a dream a girlfriend was going to die in high school. Her parents hated my guts. I begged her, and them not to let her go on a weekend trip with some of her goofy girlfriends. They dismissed me as being a nut, of course. She was killed en route in a head on collision - they (four girls) were all under the influence of mescaline, alcohol and marijuana... something I did know she was into...

I loved her most dearly... I hate druggies and drunks with a screaming passion to this very day (gritting my teeth). So if you or anyone else happen to be offended by my blatantly vicious and mortally violent views against drugs and their pushers, you will know why... It has been chemical warfare against the young people of this country since the 1960s...

WHAT MORE DO YOU POTHEAD DOPE FIENDS WANT? I SAID IT SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR ADULTS!

47 posted on 09/18/2007 4:08:01 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Legalize it for those over 21

I disagree. Any "legalization" implies regulation, and with regulation come liability. This is why I feel there should be no government involvement with the stuff.

Any commercial processing and packaging should be illegal.
Driving high should be considered DUI.
As for kids, schools can decide what substances are allowed on campus. ie, some have even banned soda.

This does push the growth and distribution into the underground market. So what, thats where it is now. As for prosecuting dope dealers, I'll be you can get them on tax evasion. Remember Al Capone.
I feel this would alleviate some of the over crowding of jails and burden on local governments who are trying to prosecute minor marijuana possession cases without growing government envelopment.

48 posted on 09/18/2007 4:38:54 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: chaos_5
As for kids, schools can decide what substances are allowed on campus. ie, some have even banned soda.

So, I catch somebody giving or selling the stuff to my kids, I could just cut their throats? Sounds fair...

49 posted on 09/18/2007 5:03:32 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
So, I catch somebody giving or selling the stuff to my kids, I could just cut their throats?

Well, that way you wont have to worry about sending them to college. LOL Joking aside, shouldn't it be the parents responsibility to teach their children that smoking dope is bad? Weather or not it is illegal doesn't change the fact that it should be the parents responsibility to instill values and the character necessary to make the right decisions in life.

50 posted on 09/18/2007 5:08:47 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Hmmmm.... maybe why the fence isn’t built yet...... If it was legal to grow yer own, who would ever pay for it?

Wonder if all those dollars made off the cannabis trade, in inconceivably high amounts because of the illegality, could possibly be used to influence Congress to keep it illegal?

51 posted on 09/18/2007 5:25:38 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: chaos_5
Joking aside, shouldn't it be the parents responsibility to teach their children that smoking dope is bad?

It is my responsibility to PROTECT them from filth. If the police and the courts won't do it, I'm perfectly happy do it myself, in fact, I would prefer it... a .22LR round only costs a nickel, which is much less than what it costs me in taxes for the legal system.

52 posted on 09/18/2007 5:45:27 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Notary Sojac
>"Thank God for the war on drugs! After all, we’ve been fighting that war for nigh onto forty years now,"

I suspect it will all be over by Christmas.

53 posted on 09/18/2007 6:27:12 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Did you know that everyday mexican gays sneak into this country and unplug our brain dead ladies HJS)
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To: rawcatslyentist

“If it was legal to grow yer own, who would ever pay for it?”

I dunno its legal to grow cucumbers and I still see lots of folks buying them at the grocery ;-)


54 posted on 09/18/2007 8:14:25 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: chaos_5
Any "legalization" implies regulation, and with regulation come liability.

What liability? Can you cite a single case where government was successfully sued for harm done by any product it regulated?

Any commercial processing and packaging should be illegal. [...] This does push the growth and distribution into the underground market. So what, thats where it is now.

It's there now putting inflated profits into criminal hands, that's "so what." I happen to think enriching criminals is bad policy.

55 posted on 09/19/2007 11:52:30 AM PDT by Murray the R (When they say "market based" keep a hand on your wallet; when they say "compassion" go for your gun.)
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To: Murray the R
Can you cite a single case where government was successfully sued for harm done by any product it regulated?

Take for example...
1. Tobacco
2. Pharmaceuticals

Both industries have been sued for harm done by their government regulated products. If you think government should regulate marijuana and corporations should distribute it, I think you are an idiot.

Selling THC in a processed form, as a pharmaceutical drug, is one thing but the sale and distribution of pot is another.

This sort of thing is best left unregulated. If people want to be stupid enough to somke a poisonous weed, let them have at it. But don't put a label on it, regulate it, and sell it in a store.

56 posted on 09/19/2007 12:01:38 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: chaos_5
1. Tobacco
2. Pharmaceuticals

Both industries have been sued for harm done by their government regulated products.

And yet they're both still in business ... and others, such as brewers and distillers, have never been sued (AFAIK). Pretty weak argument for nonregulation.

(So do you agree that enriching criminals is bad policy?)

57 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:26 PM PDT by Murray the R (When they say "market based" keep a hand on your wallet; when they say "compassion" go for your gun.)
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To: Murray the R
Think about this.
Do you want the government regulating your marijuana?
Do you want to work in a store where if you sold the stuff to some on, you can get sued when the customer get high and kills somebody in a car accident? Like bar tenders.
Do you wan to be arrested for growing stuff that is to strong? Like brewing moon shine?

Look, bottom line, if you left the government regulate the stuff, you loose freedoms, and are liable to adhere to their regulations. The could very well say, only skank weed is ok for sale and distribution. Now, you may know a fellow who grows the “good stuff”, guess what, its still illegal. Why? Regulations.

I have no idea why all the “legalize marijuana” dope heads don't get it. If you regulate it, it will suck! Don't let big brother in on this, just argue for decriminalization.

58 posted on 09/19/2007 12:17:29 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: chaos_5
Look, bottom line, if you left the government regulate the stuff, you loose freedoms

We lose more freedoms if we let government criminalize the stuff.

If you regulate it, it will suck!

So all legal (i.e., regulated) alcoholic beverages "suck"? That's not been my experience, nor do I know anyone who would agree with that.

59 posted on 09/19/2007 12:22:25 PM PDT by Murray the R (When they say "market based" keep a hand on your wallet; when they say "compassion" go for your gun.)
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To: neverdem

Medical marijuana is largely a fraud. However, I can fiund no real Constitutional authority for the war on drugs save importation.


60 posted on 09/19/2007 12:27:36 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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