"Fuel" from Salt Water?

Treehugger -Science & Technology ^ | 9/11/07 | Jereny Elton Jacquot

[ckilmer]

Both are lasers, but the similarity ends there. Just because this guy’s aparatus produce heat, light and turns a small engine does not put it in same power output class or efficiency (albeit limited efficiency) class of an auto engine.
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It looks like the RF mimics the atomic frequency of platinum thereby “fooling” the water into “thinking” there is a catalyst in the water. there might also be involved a harmonic of the platinum RF. That destabilizes but doesn’t crack the H2 out of the H20 molecule. What does the cracking is the super heated Na which like any metal in microwave — gets superhot superfast. the heat cracks the destabilized H2 out of the H20 molecule.

The process is not entirely dissimilar to the way most hydrogen is produced today: carbon steam reformation.

Further experiments would involve further focusing the RF so that less is needed to destablize the H20 and also playing with the Na or another heatsink so to maximize its heatsink properties—so that perhaps less wattage cracks more H2 out of the H20 molecule.

[BwanaNdege]

Thanks for the tutorial on pseudo-catalysts!

Bottom line still is that you will need at least as much energy to crack the H2 out of H2O as you will get by burning it. That fact, coupled with the inherent inefficiencies of any Heat Energy -> Mechanical Energy or Electrical Energy mechanism, makes this a “non-profit enterprise”.

[usmcobra]

It’s not salt water, it’s polluted water (gasoline and other petroleum products from the boats on the canal) that burns.

[ckilmer]

Bottom line still is that you will need at least as much energy to crack the H2 out of H2O as you will get by burning it. That fact, coupled with the inherent inefficiencies of any Heat Energy -> Mechanical Energy or Electrical Energy mechanism, makes this a “non-profit enterprise”.

NIST scientists have found a way to use radio waves RF to cool molecules Think they might also be able to heat them up as well?

[Comstock1]

I’m highly skeptical of this “discovery”, but where do you get the information that the RF energy going in exceeds the energy coming out.

It just seems that this guy might have discovered a highly efficient form of electrolysis. It certainly isn’t a new form or source of energy. But if it is efficient enough, it becomes a relatively cheap source of hydrogen. Time will tell.

[painter]

Bump for later.

[AndyJackson]

where do you get the information that the RF energy going in exceeds the energy coming out

The first and second laws of thermodynamics.

[Comstock1]

Well, that explains everything.

If all that is happening is stored hydrogen is being released, the laws of thermodynamics don’t rule out that it would take less energy to release it.