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Message from Ron Paul
Ron Paul 2008 ^ | September 07, 2007 | Ron Paul

Posted on 09/07/2007 10:40:07 AM PDT by NapkinUser

Edited on 09/07/2007 2:31:57 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: drpix

Ron Paul is not all there. He is a bit over his head.
He should go off and see the wizard of OZ.


221 posted on 09/07/2007 1:13:47 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: KentuckyWoman
Oh, and if you are referring to when the first attack against the West was by Muslims, I think the root of a lot of this can be traced back to the invasion of Vienna by the Turks in 1683.. most of this war really traces itself back to the Ottoman Empire’s attempt to take back what they originally saw as their land, from Spain all the way to India.
222 posted on 09/07/2007 1:13:58 PM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: trisham
:) The article reads like a “What I did on my summer vacation” homework assignment, or as you said, an entry in his diary. The pink one, with the lock and key.

Malibu Barbie's My First Diary

223 posted on 09/07/2007 1:14:30 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -17)
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To: mnehrling

The First Crusade played a very important part in Medieval England. The First Crusade was an attempt to re-capture Jerusalem. After the capture of Jerusalem by the Muslims in 1076, any Christian who wanted to pay a pilgrimage to the city faced a very hard time. Muslim soldiers made life very difficult for the Christians and trying to get to Jerusalem was filled with danger for a Christian. This greatly angered all Christians.

One Christian - called Alexius I of Constantinople - feared that his country might also fall to the Muslims as it was very close to the territory captured by the Muslims. Constantinople is in modern day Turkey. Alexius called on the pope - Urban II - to give him help.


224 posted on 09/07/2007 1:15:34 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: KentuckyWoman
Oh PUHLEZE.....The Barbary pirates were just that

Oh, and the Barbary Pirates should count because they were tools of the Ottoman sultan in his war against the 'Holy Roman Empire'.

225 posted on 09/07/2007 1:16:11 PM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: NautiNurse

A Howard Dean moment


226 posted on 09/07/2007 1:16:50 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (Ron Paul - domestic enemy of America)
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To: NapkinUser
I'll trust someone who served (Ron Paul) over a draft-dodger (Giuliani) when it comes to issues of national security.

You would trust someone who blames America first and is only interested in surrendering to the terrorists on issues of national security. If cut and run had his way we would have no nation to secure. The terrorists would control it.
227 posted on 09/07/2007 1:17:15 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: OPS4
I was trying to keep it more contemporary.. but you are right, this fight has been going on for a long time.. it is just, with the war between the Ottoman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, you can start to see where the modern national boundaries formed and the much later impact some of these actions had in WW1 through the creation of Israel.
228 posted on 09/07/2007 1:17:51 PM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: KentuckyWoman
The point, I believe, is that we shouldn't maintain military bases in ANY other nations. The big problem (as the Muslim's see things) is that they believe those in power in their government are now puppets of the 'west' and do not represent their own nation's and people's best interests.

The Muslims are beginning to see that the Islamic Jihad does not represent their nation and their people's best interests thanks to the US Military presence.

It's called progress.

229 posted on 09/07/2007 1:18:08 PM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: wideawake
Why shouldn't we? Preposterous notion.

Then I must sadly point out that you don't understand the difference between republic and empire......of course, you're not in that particular leaky little boat alone. OUR military is supposed to be for OUR protection, not the protection of other nations and peoples whether we may consider them 'friendly' or not. The middle-east has been unstable for hundreds of years and the only thing we're accomplishing there is to get our young men and women killed and maimed while increasing Muslim hatred of the U.S. Just how the heck is THAT making us 'safer'? Also, it's pretty easy to side-line quarterback but I tend to trust the opinions of those who are and have served in the military and they are overwhelmingly supporting Ron Paul with their hard-earned dollars. That fact alone should make one think about the differences in the candidate's positions on the middle-east.

230 posted on 09/07/2007 1:18:16 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman (The perversity of diversity is that's it's divisive, not unitive.)
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To: SJackson
Their sites are a hoot.

No kidding! That was so funny, it was almost scary.

231 posted on 09/07/2007 1:18:54 PM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: Petronski
Exactly. :)


232 posted on 09/07/2007 1:19:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Allegra

Does Ron Paul have overwhelming support of the military based in the Middle East?

What say ye?


233 posted on 09/07/2007 1:21:46 PM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: KentuckyWoman
you don't understand the difference between republic and empire

Of course I do - you're the one who is unclear.

Empires don't garrison their allies - they garrison their overseas possessions.

When the US posts troops in foreign countries at the request of those countries' governments we are doing so as an act of friendship and a preservation of our interests - not to expand the frontiers of our sovereign territory.

234 posted on 09/07/2007 1:22:12 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: KentuckyWoman
The big problem (as the Muslim's see things) is that they believe those in power in their government are now puppets of the 'west' and do not represent their own nation's and people's best interests.

And it is our duty, (according to cut and run) to do everything possible to appease the terrorists.
235 posted on 09/07/2007 1:22:48 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: mnehrling

Israel was formed at the time of Christ and maMapped on the Roman Empire charts long before WW1, the rest of the world seems to forget it has existed before Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ appeared in the flesh.

This is a Biblical Battle that has been going on since.

So to try and lay the blame on Modern civilization, is hogwash.


236 posted on 09/07/2007 1:24:29 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: listenhillary

No way, they see him as he is, weak with no resolve.


237 posted on 09/07/2007 1:26:11 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: mnehrling
Nice idea, but it has no reflection of the real world we live in.. our bases extend the arm of our interest.

No. Our bases all over the world are a testament to the fact that we seem to think we have some inherent right to control the world. I hate to be the one to break this to you but, we do NOT have that right or even some perceived moral authority to police the world. We have the right to blow the you-know-what out of anybody who threatens our nation or our people (uh oh!! - getting back into that declaration of war thing again...) but that's where our responsibility ends. Actions have consequences and part of the current mess in the mid-east goes all the way back into the 50s with our meddling there. The blowback just never ends and we've gotten to the point that we can't even patch things over fixing things without getting thousands of our military killed.

238 posted on 09/07/2007 1:26:38 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman (The perversity of diversity is that's it's divisive, not unitive.)
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To: trisham
Why do you think we maintain bases in Japan and Germany, for example?

Hmm....to continue putting money in the pockets of the military/industrial complex????

239 posted on 09/07/2007 1:28:01 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman (The perversity of diversity is that's it's divisive, not unitive.)
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To: KentuckyWoman
Also, it's pretty easy to side-line quarterback but I tend to trust the opinions of those who are and have served in the military and they are overwhelmingly supporting Ron Paul with their hard-earned dollars. That fact alone should make one think about the differences in the candidate's positions on the middle-east.

First of all, a lot of people have worn the uniform, that doesn't make them right.. John Murtha was a dedicated Marine.. of course, that may not be the best analogy since Paul and Murtha sound alike on the war..
Also, you should really check the 'military overwhelmingly donating to Paul' fact(sic).. that has been debunked.. The tiny total he has received from those who list their employer as the Air Force, Army, or Marines, pales in comparison to the totals the others have received if you also add in people who list the Department of Defense and other variations of military/defense organizations as their employer... For example, John McCain has received $96 thousand dollars from people who list themselves in the defense industry compared to a paltry $5 thousand dollars for Paul. The analysis you are referring to that is parroted by Paulites was flawed in that it only looked for about 4 terms and didn't all the variations of military service terms that could be used. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sector.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008 http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sector.asp?id=N00006424&cycle=2008

240 posted on 09/07/2007 1:30:20 PM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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