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Bush Apologizes to Wiccan Widow
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| Sept 2, 2007
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Posted on 09/02/2007 1:34:34 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: upsdriver
What exactly made it classless? I found it to be refrishingly candid and direct.
To: epow
Christianity is NOT a religion...
In the view of the law it is, and is no more valid than any other religion. That is the crux of this argument.
Your argument that all other faiths/reglions/belief systems are of Satan is fine, but it is not the law of the land.
To: Killborn
You make some very good points here. I disagree with you a bit about how Christianity would have turned out had it developed in an excessively hostile period. It was a hostile period and in fact one of the reasons some chose not to follow Christ is because they expected the messiah to put on a fight (i.e. kick Roman butts), but he instead rode in on a donkey and didn’t fight his crucification.
To: expatguy
Having "religious" paganistic beliefs does not constitute a religion any more than two men living together constitutes a marriage.
Not true in the eyes of the law WRT to religion. Obsecure sects, even "one church wonders" are legally recognized as religions, and approriately so. I don't need to be a Hindu to recognize the Hindu religion.
Freedom to practice your religious beliefs does not however imply that either myself or society as a whole has to accept them.
There are accommodation and recognition in the law for religions, and rightly so. The primary being the 1st amendment. There are also some limited restrictions on practices. There is nothing inherent in Wicca, Hindu, Buddhism, that makes them unacceptable to society at large. Just because they are clearly non-Christian does not mean they forfeit any legal standing.
Reprobates who practice the Jedi religion are equally as lost as those who practice any other paganistic belief.
Declaring yourself Jedi is a form of monkey wrenching. It messes with the system. Its not new or unique. A long time ago the DoD mandated a diversity survey to establish a baseline of the members of the military. Rules were it was self identification only (you stated what you were, command did not get to change the answers). Entire squadrons declared themselves to be native american who practiced the Hindu religion. Upper levels of the command structure did not find this amusing, so the word went down to quit screwing with the system. I changed mine to something not so obvious, but the baseline they sought was never really accomplished.
To: Polybius
"Are ANY military tombstones now issued by the U.S. Government allowed symbols other than religious symbols? No."Gosh. A year ago you could have asked, "Are ANY military tombstones now issued by the U.S. Government allowing Wiccan symbols? No."
Meaning what exactly? That Wiccan symbols would never be allowed? Well, guess what?
"If NOBODY is allowed to wear a political campaign button on his military uniform"
I'm not aware that soldiers are allowed to wear the Wiccan symbol on their uniform either. What's your point?
Why can't a soldier be allowed to put the Republican Party symbol on his grave marker if that's what he wants? You got a problem with the first amendment? Free speech for thee but not for me?
"What next, a Notre Dame logo?"
That's my question. I'd like to know why not.
To: mad_as_he$$; Extremely Extreme Extremist
So you're saying that a homosexual soldier who DIED in combat serving his country cannot have a pink triangle on his grave marker if that's what he, personally, requested?
I thought this COUNTRY was about FREEDOM and I thought the very FIRST amendment protected our right to free SPEECH. What, only the speech YOU approve?
Sorry, but Extremely Extreme Extremist is making a good point.
To: radioman
Post 154, which you claim was a threat to ban you, was written by you. Is that also where my alleged hatred of Jews and a war hero was expressed? I know it wasn’t in any of the posts I wrote. The things you’ve falsely accused Christians of saying are only said in the posts of satanists and their supporters.
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:14:36 AM PDT
by
LilAngel
(Pray)
To: robertpaulsen
I am saying that RELIGION is not for any man to judge. If you can’t figure that out go back and read the New Testament. If you are so afraid that some terrible evil will arise because a homosexual died serving his country than you also are a bigot.
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:18:22 AM PDT
by
mad_as_he$$
(Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
To: robertpaulsen
and IF homosexual is a RELIGON then IF a pink triangle is their symbol then they can have one.
No it's not MY judgment of speech it is EEE's judgment of religion I object to (which mixing homosexual up with religion is a dumb comparison). Clearly logical thinking is not in your brain pattern.
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:26:08 AM PDT
by
mad_as_he$$
(Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
To: LilAngel
Post 154, which you claim was a threat to ban you
I see that you have a reading comprehension problem...go figure!
To: mad_as_he$$
"I am saying that RELIGION is not for any man to judge." I got that part. But the first amendment also protects SPEECH. Remember?
I'm asking you. Are you going to censor another man's SPEECH? A man who DIED in combat for his COUNTRY? You would deny this brave man's request after the SACRIFICE he made for YOU?
Tell me you would. Post your hypocrisy on this forum for all to see.
To: I got the rope; All
He didn’t apologize for the symbol, but for her being left out of the meeting.
It was the military that added the symbol, not the president.
How is apologizing for failing to meet with the widow of a dead soldier when everyone else was there “losing his way”?
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09/03/2007 8:37:14 AM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
("Dick Cheney should have gone hunting with Hillary." -- Yakov Smirnoff)
To: BykrBayb
Youre the one who said you preferred Satanists over Christians.
That's what you accused me of. I just replied in a way that you can understand, Deutsch Christen.
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To: IronJack
The article refused to call the symbol a pentagram because of the implications brought on by that term, but that is what it is.
Still, I am shocked to say I believe he should be allowed to have it.
Now, the Satanic pentagram with the devil’s face in it? No.
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:39:58 AM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
("Dick Cheney should have gone hunting with Hillary." -- Yakov Smirnoff)
To: DogByte6RER
Wiccan widow: You forgot me.
Prez Bush: Don't worry, wiccan work it out!
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:45:05 AM PDT
by
Jagman
(I drank Frank Rabelais under the table!)
To: ItisaReligionofPeace
How very magnanimous of you (/sarc) Thank you. I don't grant these dispensations lightly.
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posted on
09/03/2007 8:45:35 AM PDT
by
IronJack
(=)
To: mad_as_he$$
"and IF homosexual is a RELIGON then IF a pink triangle is their symbol then they can have one."A symbol is a symbol. The first amendment protect religious symbols as well as speech symbols. If you need U.S. Supreme Court cases as proof I will provide them.
I see no reason why grave markers should be limited to religious symbols. I am saying that a good first amendment case can be made for others.
I am also, in my brilliant and subtle way, trying to point out the fallacy of using the U.S. Constitution to support and justify this insanity. This is not a constitutional issue. This is an issue of decency and respect for those who are buried there and their loved ones who come to visit.
But, since we don't have a constitutional amendment for that, you're at a loss to explain how it is that you can favor one symbol but not another.
So you, instead, counter with a childish insult.
To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You have mastered hatred. That must qualify you among your buddies to define what a good Christian is. You’ve made it clear you’re not pleased with Christians behaving as God commands. That whole opposition to satan thing is a big problem for you.
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posted on
09/03/2007 9:04:31 AM PDT
by
LilAngel
(Pray)
To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I’m at FR because I belong here. This is not a satanic forum. Why are you here?
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posted on
09/03/2007 9:12:51 AM PDT
by
LilAngel
(Pray)
To: LilAngel
Yes, that’s it. I’m a hateful Satanist. I’ve known your kind for many years. You people are just as anti-American as the miscreants who protest and riot at WTO meetings. A common denominitor for all of you is your own self-centered viewpoint of everything. I’ve also learned that after pointing out your idiotic beliefs (looks like I’m not alone here, huh), it is best to ignore your type. bu-bye.
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