Posted on 08/31/2007 6:16:40 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
busted! live with it.
I salute his service, but wrong is wrong.
Guess you need another tactic to throw around.
Good night.
Damn, you Paulnuts are a blast...
I need to thank the powers that be for keeping you guys around....
Nighty night now...
“I salute his service, but wrong is wrong.”
Yea we know, the Constitution is wrong.
sleep well.
“I need to thank the powers that be for keeping you guys around....”
The powers that be respect freedom. You may want to check out the index page for FR. It’s rather revealing. The focus is the US Constitution, freedom, liberty, and justice for all.
Maybe that’s why the powers that be keep us around eh?
“As for your homily regarding Ron Paul, I’ll refrain from comment. I’m trying myself to keep an even keel, here”
Nice “homily” jab. I do go off a bit at times and that made me laugh. I do not like to see Ron Paul bashed and trashed, and I do think he is a good man though I don’t agree with everything he says. I am surprised how many conservatives disown and abuse him. We shouldn’t have such tunnel vision. He is a conservative with a diversity of opinion of how we should handle a very divisive issue.
One question for you. My moniker is that of my hero, the real Milton Friedman. Do you not consider Milton Friedman a true conservative? Please answer that. He has been called the author of the Reagan Revolution. If Milton isn’t a conservative, then I guess I am not either. I want your take on that.
So when you awake in the morn from your dreams for a socialist USA, here is your wake up call.
FR doesn’t do socialism in any form. FR is a site for freedom loving people. The strength of FR is derived from God given rights. These God given rights are re-enforced in the Constitution of these United States. Any attempt to undermind them is treasonous.
Correction. Could be deemed by some as treasonous.
Me? I argue anyone in opposition to the US Constitution should be questioned as to their loyalty. And if found guilty of postng lies and deceptions, as some do as evidenced here, I see no reason it cannot be rightfully construed as treason.
This is where libertarians reveal themselves to be juvenile thinkers.
We have no choice but to be involved in other countries' affairs. It is not 1807, but 2007. The number of muslim companies doing business here is staggering. Likewise, the number of American companies doing business in the Middle East is staggering.
We are all interlinked. You cannot change that. Our governments work together (and against each other) to make rules those businesses must respect.
In 1990, Kuwait asked the rest of the world for help as they were being invaded by Iraq. The US led the forces that liberated Kuwait and put Sadaam back in check.
For that we are both hated and loved. Some Muslims respect that we would come to the aid of fellow Muslims. Others do not.
To blame our "interference" in the Middle East for the 9/11 attacks is like saying Jews should never have gotten into the banking industry in Germany as that is what brought on the Holocaust.
Yes. My mistake was not remembering that we could send troops to another country without the permission of Congress if that country had declared war on us, or remembering the ONE instance where Americans set foot on land in an on-again /off-again struggle with the pirates.
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I showed you I mentioned missiles in the post you cited earlier.
So lets trash the Constitution and run roughshod over the world because we might get attacked by an air missile?
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Knowing what I know, looking at the ultrasound of my unborn son, my first child at the age of 42, realizing the world we live in TODAY, not 50 years ago, I am more convinced than ever that INACTION is the worst approach. If my desires to protect my family are “unconstitutional” then by God and all that is holy, give me a lighter so I can burn the damn thing.
While I congratulate you on your son, it's ridiculous to propose that your desire to protect your family is unconstitutional. To protect Americans in their families is exactly why it was instituted.
It is NOT however, a passport to run the world....whether we think the reason is 'good enough', or if we think we're 'right' is immaterial.
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Harsh, you betcha, but this Conservative is a real Conservative, and the root of that philosophy is conserve.
While I applaud your determination to protect your family, you sir, are no conservative.
You're an imperialist willing to do what you think is 'best' whenever and wherever you see fit with no regard to anyone else and against the American ideals of rights, duty and sovereignty.
Good day.
Nah, I'll pass. I have other things to do today. Besides, these idiots aren't worth any more time. Self-centered egotists who aren't interested in debate; merely dogmatism.
We've seen this on every RP thread. They're insufferable fools all. Ron Paul, for all his views I disagree with, deserves better than these jerks. They're causing him great harm (OTOH, that could be good...yeah, I like it).
Milton Friedman was the greatest economist this nation has ever seen, IMHO. He was a capitalist and highly influential. And, yes, I consider him central to what we call the Reagan Revolution. But, no, I don’t consider Friedman a conservative. And neither did he. He considered himself a libertarian. So, why should I consider him anything else?
I guess, then, you’re not a conservative either :) I suggest your acceptance of Ron Paul buttress that opinion.
BTW, I’ve enjoyed our correspondence. You’re far more considerate and open minded than the average RP supporter. They really do him a disservice with their name calling and dogmatic approach. You wonder why RP gets ‘bashed and trashed’? It’s because of the way anyone who dissents from his views is treated. It’s the idea that, if all we see of his supporters is ego and patronizing attack, well, that must be Ron Paul’s philosophy. And that’s why I find you a breath of fresh air.
So I am a traitor.
I am going to be kind and dismiss that as symptomatic of whatever metal illness you may suffer from.
It is clear, as is often derived from dealing with “True Believer” absolutist such as yourself that some form aberration must be present to explain the fanatical attitudes, lack of control and difficulty in dealing with real life issues and facts.
I give you this benefit of the doubt out of respect for this forum and the ideals it represents, for if you were truly sane and said such a thing to me, I would slap you down where you stand and look down upon you as the fool that you would be.
The silly thing, perhaps the foolish thing on my part, is that for a few posts, I actually took you seriously. You would think I’d learn by now.
Admin Moderator, I ping you for the simple fact that I wish to apologize up front for any provision of Free Republic this post may have violated, I have had my say to this member, you may dispose of it as you wish if need be.
The labeling of other, imperialist, traitors, and the like, the presumption that you and you alone are the grand keepers of what Conservatism is, just makes it all the more pathetic and yet at the same time so entertaining.
I concur, Milton you managed to dialog without slipping, I respect that.
If, as you claim, Ron Paul opposes free trade agreement, he’s no libertarian. He sounds more like Buchanan.
Let me get this straight: Your the one willing to do 'whatever it takes' to 'keep us safe' even if it means violating the sovereignty of another nation..... but I'm the dangerous fanatic?
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The labeling of other, imperialist, traitors, and the like, the presumption that you and you alone are the grand keepers of what Conservatism is, just makes it all the more pathetic and yet at the same time so entertaining.
To each his/her own.
What I find entertaining is people who justify the violation of others as well as the thing that was created to protect them and theirs so they will feel 'safe'.
What I find pathetic are people who never see the hypocrisy of their actions.
"-- I will be blunt. As a student of Military History, of weapons and technology, though I have been out of that actively for some time, I am aware of how fast thing can change, how quickly a disaster can strike from the actions of even the most seemingly benign enemies.
If my desires to protect my family are "unconstitutional" then by God and all that is holy, give me a lighter so I can burn the damn thing.
199 posted on 08/31/2007 8:03:14 PM PDT by ejonesie22
But you have given me a gift in you post, a truly wonderful gift, the gift of insight.
You see I thought about your response to what I said because it tripped in my mind a realization of something that has been bothering me about many so called “Real Conservatives”, especially those who frequent Paul threads sermonizing on the US Constitution. It was something that I have not been able to put my finger on until now.
In stating your opposition to what I wrote, you are in essence telling me that I should abdicate my God given responsibility to protect my family in favor of a document, albeit a divinely inspired one. You are asking me to place the US Constitution above God, a God whose divine providence brought forth this great land, a God that if not for his love and mercy we would not even be here to have such a “debate”
Fact is, in very plain terms that have now become obvious to me, you and your peers worship the US Constitution.
I do not understand why I did not see it before. The quoting like biblical scripture, the fanatic insistence, the infallibility of the document, it’s all there.
I know from a brief perusal of post you are at least an agnostic, and that is your right in this great land. If that is not correct, then please feel free to amend. Indeed if that is the nature of your belief, it does explain your dogmatic views of the Constitution. Everyone needs something to believe in, even those who don’t believe.
I guess I can see why you would not understand the true fact that it is God, Family THEN Country.
The Constitution does not alter the fact that there is a God, and he has given to us a duty to our family and home, no matter what nation we may inhabit.
I will finish with something I pulled from your own home page.
Governments at all levels -- federal, state and local -- were to be controlled by the people. Our Constitution explicitly restricts the power of our federal government; and our Bill of Rights guarantees that NO government may infringe upon our God given unalienable rights.
Indeed, and if these rights are given by God and protected by the Constitution, how can I place said document, a creation of a government, in a position above the True Creator and his expectations of this humble servant?
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