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Old is New Again for Military Manufacturing
Thomas Net ^ | 29 August 2007 | T. D. Clark

Posted on 08/29/2007 10:28:26 AM PDT by Stop Liberalism

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Interesting, should we be worried?
1 posted on 08/29/2007 10:28:28 AM PDT by Stop Liberalism
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To: Stop Liberalism
I think it's the natural progression of things; our foes' technology is gradually--and I mean very graduall in some instances--going to catch up to ours. That's why it's important to continue to invest in military research and in our national defense.

That said, even with old F-4s, you still need some degree of air superiority, before you could fly somewhere and drop even a "smart bomb" on someone.

2 posted on 08/29/2007 10:33:35 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Stop Liberalism

Most of the Iranian weapons are Chinese/NK knock off.


3 posted on 08/29/2007 10:36:31 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: Stop Liberalism

What in the world is a “low caliber piercing bullet”?

Just asking.


4 posted on 08/29/2007 10:36:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator

An armour piercing round under 8mm.


5 posted on 08/29/2007 10:37:33 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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Oh, an ARMOR piercing round?

I thought the low caliber was the thing getting pierced!

I mean, that’s how it was written.

OTH, are you sure its an armor piercing round, and not a cheese piercing round? I don’t know by what was written.


6 posted on 08/29/2007 10:41:13 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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Like a 5.56mm NATO round. Nothing really revolutionary here, other than they made the machines to make the bullets themselves. Must have been a stretch.


7 posted on 08/29/2007 10:42:54 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: Stop Liberalism
Is this type of “mix-and-match” mentality between different countries becoming an accepted means to put a new spin on once-retired military gear?

Well, it's nothing really new. Obsolete or obscelescent equipment has been receiving upgrades to keep it useful until the latest state-of-the art can come off the production lines and get into the hands of troops trained to use it...by which time it's often superceded by even newer designs, and becomes fodder for *service upgrades* or a *Service Life Extension Program itself. Other times, vehicles that were once frontline fighting equipment are modified as platforms for support equipment, cheaper than building a complete new system from scratch, and with spare parts and experience in maintenance already in the system, that can be a real lifesaver.

The switch of several former Warsaw Pact Soviet client states to NATO brought some new challenges, modifying their on-hand Soviet gear for compatability with NATO standards [STANAG compatability] that cover everything from communications equipment to turn signals on trucks. From there it's just a small step to offering an upgrade package for older high-dollar items that does both.

8 posted on 08/29/2007 10:44:23 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Stop Liberalism

I can’t say I worry too much when our adversaries brag about achieving 1980’s level military technology to use with their 1970’s era planes.


9 posted on 08/29/2007 10:45:07 AM PDT by El Sordo
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OTH, are you sure its an armor piercing round, and not a cheese piercing round?

I don't think that it is a cheese piercing round - nothing was mentioned in the article about using old Swiss technology.

10 posted on 08/29/2007 10:45:39 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Stop Liberalism

About aircraft?

Nah, 1 F22 can take out an entire squadron without them even knowing where it is.... Beyond the horizon kills.

We will continue to have air superiority globally for the forseable future.


11 posted on 08/29/2007 10:48:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Most of the Iranian weapons are Chinese/NK knock off.

Well, no. Their G3 rifles are a German H&K design, and date back to the days of the Shah, as do their MG3 machineguns, a design derived from the German MG42 of WWII. Their AKM copy comes from a plant set up with Russian technical assistance during the period when Russia and the then-new Revolutionary Government signed a defense treaty allowing Soviet assistance in the event of invasion or incursion into Iranian territory- I think they had Saddam's Iraq in mind at the time, but it was a consideration for US forces when the Operation Eagle Claw Iranian U.S. embassy hostage rescue mission was in its planning stages...at least.

The Iranian version of the RPG-7 does indeed follow the Chinese Type 69-1, version, also preferred by the Albanians, PLO, Russian Spetznaz and other users. But the Iranian PG-7 AT grenades used as ammunition in the things follows the Soviet/Russian design specs, not the Chinese, though either can be used in either a Russian or Chinese 40mm launch tube.

12 posted on 08/29/2007 10:54:06 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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Interesting, should we be worried?

Interested, at least. I wouldn't be worried yet, though there are those with jobs that pay them toi worry about suich matters.

It's worth paying attention, though.

13 posted on 08/29/2007 10:55:53 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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Interesting, should we be worried?

As China increases in men without women to marry the tension increases. I spent over 50 days at sea in a submarine. After 50 days men were ready to kill each other until they got to shore with beer and women. Then they were just fine.

14 posted on 08/29/2007 11:00:16 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: HamiltonJay

Very true. In addition to that, for every weapon we design, another is designed to counteract it. I wish we would install devices that could not be tampered with, such as on our planes sold to other countrys, that would disable the plane.........by us.


15 posted on 08/29/2007 11:10:30 AM PDT by RC2
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Beyond the horizon kills.

Nope... The F-22 flies with AIM-9X's and AIM-120's, these are Infra Red guided and RF guided short to medium range missiles. The Phoenix (AIM-54) was our over the horizon missile and has been retired along with the platforms designed to launch it; YF-12 and F-14.

16 posted on 08/29/2007 11:32:37 AM PDT by Freeport
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It would be nice to have a REAL high-performance LR missile.

The Phoenix was never the killer it was made out to be, especially against high performance fighters.

The Brits are working on such things, but the F/A-22 could never accomodate it in the weapons bays.


17 posted on 08/29/2007 11:48:33 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: archy

Well,no my friend, the G3 rifles have been replaced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaybar_KH2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Equipment_of_the_Iranian_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%27s_Army_Ranks_Insignia


18 posted on 08/29/2007 11:49:16 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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Treadheads, Miltech and Military History ping list pings, please!


19 posted on 08/29/2007 12:08:10 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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Well,no my friend, the G3 rifles have been replaced.

Somebody forgot to tell the Iranian Army.

Iranian soldiers take part in a parade in Tehran, April 2007. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defence Secretary Robert Gates have kicked off a regional tour in Egypt seeking to unite Arab allies against Iran's "destabilising" influence.(AFP/File/Atta Kenare)

20 posted on 08/29/2007 12:13:42 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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