The People Must Demand The Fair Tax

GOPUSA ^ | August 28, 2007 | By Doug Patton

[Bigun]

I agree with Mr. Patton entirely as we will never again be a truly FREE people for so long as we have an income tax and the IRS.

[Bigun]

PING!

[Man50D]

Instead, the Fair Tax would put us in control.

It's time to abolish the IRS! Fair Tax ping!

[Man50D]

Thanks for the ping Bigun!

[CIDKauf]

I see a government office bigger than the IRS due to the prebates outlined in the Fair Tax. The government is going to determine eligibility for monthly prebate checks? What will that cost and how many errors will there be? SSA has some 9 million errors annually passing out social security checks. The Fair tax will have many more “eligible” families than SSA to distribute monthly checks to. This will invite corruption and many more errors. I support a consumption tax to bring home ALL taxpayers, but have trouble supporting the Fair Tax for these reasons.

[Mumbles]

I am not "for" the FAIR TAX but am going to have to accept it.

In a Socialist country (which we will be soon), only those with cash businesses and those "off the books" or on "tips" will be able to live half way decently. The FAIR tax will be excellent if Congress gets rid of the income tax LOL. How will they be able to resist continuing to tax the W-2 and 1099 tax payers?

No politician has ever met a tax they didn't like or couldn't subvert to keep themselves in office or their friends well heeled.

[Filo]

I also can’t support the fair tax as it stands. My reasons are that they won’t tie the repeal of the 16th amendment to the implementation of the tax and the “fair tax” actually double-taxes monies earned prior to implementation.

[goldstategop]

Agreed. That's why I support the Fair Tax. Every one pays the SAME tax rate. No more taxing the rich more in the name of class warfare or leaving the poor off the tax rolls so the middle class is left with an increasingly heavier tax burden. A simple system even a schoolchild can understand. I do know why the elites hate it. They can no longer withhold people's paychecks and pretend they are doing us a big favor by giving us back a pittance every year. Abolishing the income tax, payroll and Social Security taxes would dramatically slash taxes across the board. Having one federal tax is vastly better than a mountain of them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[CIDKauf]

They WILL NOT abolish the IRS, SSA, and then they will build a bureaucracy around sending out the “prebates”. Be carefull what you wish for, because the entire Fair Tax, which I cannot support due to the “prebates”, WILL NOT be implemented, and WILL NOT result in a “simple system”.

[goldstategop]

I don't expect the politicians to give up their wealth confiscating system. Without the income tax and the IRS, they would never make expansive spending promises. It would transform our politics for the better and wean people off looking to government first to solve all their problems.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Man50D]

I see a government office bigger than the IRS due to the prebates outlined in the Fair Tax.

Your statement tells me you haven't seen The Fair Tax Act Of 2007 or visited Americans For Fair Taxation website. Having done so you would have read the existing Treasury Department will administer the prebate. The government is going to determine eligibility for monthly prebate checks?

The government does already through the Department Of Health And Human Services. The size of the rebate is determined by the DHHS poverty level guideline multiplied by the tax rate. This is a well-accepted, long-used poverty-level calculation that includes food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical care, etc. Fair Tax FAQ #3

The Fair tax will have many more “eligible” families than SSA to distribute monthly checks to.

What specific data do you have to back up an otherwise vague claim?

ALL taxpayers, but have trouble supporting the Fair Tax for these reasons.

It is obvious you haven't read the bill or visited the AFFT website based on your erroneous comments. I suggest you do so before making anymore comments.

[Nathan Zachary]

Actually, it’s fairly simple. Canada does a simular thing with GST tax rebates; they issue a quarterly rebate check to low income people based on their previous years earnings on a sliding scale based on income.

Now all they have to do is eliminate the federal income tax, and they could have a flat tax. But this is Canada we are talking about, that will never happen, although the GST was supposed to be a step towards that goal.

[Man50D]

The FAIR tax will be excellent if Congress gets rid of the income tax LOL.

The Fair Tax Act requires the IRS to be abolished by defunding it per Title III Section 301.

[maine-iac7]

the IRS is the equivalent of the ole KGB

It gives the gov’t a stranglehold on us all

We have the best opportunity since 1913 to get the power out of the politicians hands and back into ours.

The FAIR TAX will bring a true freedom for us as individuals and put the power back where it belongs - in the hands of We The People.

But just damn - if WE aren’t willing to fight for it, we’ll never get the chance again.

And we wont deserve it.

[Man50D]

My reasons are that they won’t tie the repeal of the 16th amendment to the implementation of the tax

You haven't read House Joint Resolution 16. To quote from the bill:

"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment."

[lewislynn]

Ahem!

`SEC. 304. REBATE MECHANISM.

`(a) General Rule- The Social Security Administration shall provide a monthly sales tax rebate to duly registered qualified families in an amount determined in accordance with section 301.

[Bigun]

I agree on every point!

[jwh_Denver]

If you think this Fair Tax would remain fair with our corrupt politicians you haven’t learned much about our government.

[webboy45]

The Fairtax has much going for it, but the supporters are fooling themselves if they think it could be implemented without exceptions. Religious organizations would have to be exempt to avoid state entanglement with religion. Primary housing would have to be exempt simply because nobody but the wealthy could afford to pay a 30% surtax up front on a house. Also, it seems unlikely that medical expenses would be taxed. This, of course, would open the door to other exemptions.

The prebate is a stroke of genius. It should not have many problems, because the rules a so simple.

[Nathan Zachary]

"then they will build a bureaucracy around sending out the “prebates”. Be carefull what you wish for, because the entire Fair Tax, which I cannot support due to the “prebates”, WILL NOT be implemented, and WILL NOT result in a “simple system”.

And just what do you base these assuptions on? Why would they "build a bureaucracy" around sending out rebate checks to low income earners? It would be the same system that sends out your yearly tax rebate,(if you get one)or collects what you owe. The "Bureaucracy" is already in place.

It would still be the same yearly IRS collecting of your income information and determining what, if any rebate you would be eligable for based on income, dependents, and any other allowed exemptions.

It would be a much simpler system if you didn't have to file dozens of forms for all the tax exemptions, and other BS that we do now.
It would be simple- "What's your income, here's what your rebate will be". No muss no fuss.