Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
Botts book can also be found here in one of those Google books. http://books.google.com/books?id=Vy4OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA194&lpg=PA194&dq=%22jb+baldwin%22+confederate+virginia&source=web&ots=SBKu2wFkJz&sig=LWhQD237kMp2suHRRmMlBp6orH8
Botts is a somewhat questionable source. He was a minor league politician with thoughts of grandeur. But apparently on this matter he had some corroborating letters and testimony.
“STFU”
No, you STFU! The more I hear from you offensive Yankees, the more I’m ready to refight the War of Northern Aggression. When I was in the “Crotch” (That’s Corps for you youngsters), there were several times I had to straighten out some Smartass Yankee. You sound just like ‘em.
Semper Fi!
If memory serves, Baldwin was one of those that Lincoln made his 'what about my revenues' statements - separate from the Rev. Fuller's delegation.
Finally, Botts concludes, presciently,
"...if any Copperhead in the North or Traitor in the South shall hereafter charge that Abraham Lincoln made unnecessary war upon the South, or that he came into office under a pledge to war upon Southern institutions, his friends may exultingly point to this record for a refutation of the slander, and to show what great personal sacrifices that generous-hearted man was prepared to make to avert the heavy calamities of a civil war, and to throw the responsibility where it properly belongs.
Botts was about thoroughly pro-Union as you could get. It is no surprise he would be pro-Union in his comments.
He dined on one occasion with Union Generals in Virginia during the war and was arrested shortly thereafter by Confederate forces for carrying a gun on an active battlefield. IIRC, Botts claimed he was carrying the gun for someone else and was released later the same day.
if my admittedly "odd typing" style bothers you, feel free to just "scroll on by".
in my experience, people, who make those sort of comments, have a head as empty of thought as their posts are empty of consequence.
free dixie,sw
I've seen posters attack Baldwin's testimony, but it's always interesting to see who supports his position (and when). Fearful of reprisal (prison or worse):
Colonel Baldwin's Interview with Mr. Lincoln-Letter from Colonel J. H. Keatley, of Iowa.According to Botts, it was Lincoln himself (p. 195) that gave him [Botts] the information.We publish the following letter as confirming the accuracy of Dr. Dabney's interesting report of Colonel John B. Baldwin's account of his interview with Mr. Lincoln.
COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA, December 18, 1880.
Rev. J. William Jones, D. D., Secretary Southern Historical Society, Richmond, Va.:
Dear Sir,--I have just read, in the first volume of the Transactions of your society, Dr. Dabney's paper concerning an interview between Mr. Lincoln and Colonel John Baldwin, of Virginia, in April, 1861. In May, 1865, I was on duty, as a Federal military officer, in Norfolk, and while the United States District Court for the eastern district of Virginia was in session there. I was introduced to Colonel Baldwin at that time, in the clerk's office, by Honorable L. H. Chandler, United States District Attorney, Colonel Baldwin being then in attendance on some business connected with that court, and having also for the first time, after the war, visited Norfolk. I met him again, during the afternoon, at the Atlantic hotel, and he was kind enough to refer to some of the incidents of the contest, and to the causes which occasioned it. In that interview he made substantially the same statement that Dr. Dabney has given in his valuable and interesting paper, but, for reasons that will occur to almost any one, I did not repeat what he said, and did not feel at liberty then to make any publication of his statement, and would not do so now had not others already done so.
Yours respectfully,
JNO. H. KEATLEY.
free dixie,sw
The truth about your posts is that they're so ridiculously over the top that one almost gets the idea that they're the project of some troll who's trying to create a stereotype.
You might want to try discussing things like a sane man, rather than a rabid loon. It'll do your cause a lot of good.
Going to the page you cited I came across some very uncomplimentary comments about Judah Benjamin—”a sneaking thief and perjurer, and an unconscionable traitor...”. I’ll have to spend some more time with the book. It looks entertaining, at the very least.
fyi, i won't be at all offended if you should choose not to further share your opinions with me, inasmuch as you seem to know zilch of importance about any WBTS subject.
free dixie,sw
As for the Civil War, I long ago learned that you're not worth the effort. Rather than actually debate, you yell, shout, scream, insult, and generally ignore all facts presented to you.
We see it on full display on this very thread, as we have in oh, so many others.
It's not an effective way to get your point across.
Not being too clear about some things about the Civil War that occurred a couple of centuries ago, I didn't know what WBTS stood for, so did a search
Found these two:
WBTS War Between the States
WBTS World Best Toilet Seat
And also a radio station.
what little you actually post about the war is a simplistic regurgitation of the DY/REVISIONIST "party line".
since you chose to continue to post to me, may i say that i find your posts singularly UNimportant to a study of the war & mostly nonsense.
as to shout/scream/insult/etc = IF the LIARS, bigots & revisionists didn't post FICTION & DY propaganda, i would be happy to return to quietly discussing the war in the TM west. however, the DYs of "the coven" insist on posting foolishness/propaganda/bigotry & knowing, outright LIES about the south/the war/the lincoln MISadministration/slavery/AIs/my family/etc. that is also, sadly, FACT. pity that you seem not to be able to understand that simple concept/truth.
as i previously said, i won't be offended if you choose not to read or respond to my posts, as you seem to know/say little of import.
free dixie,sw
the conflict will end when the elitists decide that:
1. they cannot force their "way of life" & LEFTIST/SOCIALIST beliefs upon us in dixie &
2. they decide to "go away" & leave us ALONE.
free dixie,sw
LOL!!! I vote for the toilet seat.
LOL! Thanks for making my point.
Oh and BTW, there are plenty of academic/social/financial/business elitists south of the MD line.
Out of respect for the south, I capitalized Dixie.
I think your fight is with the liberals and democrats, not Americans that happen to live in the north.
What, not the rap music station?
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