Posted on 08/22/2007 7:08:24 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
Sorry. Apparently, YES. Read all the studies, not just the 1s you think support your prejudice.
No thank you, I don’t want any poison in my water.
“Your reasoning is flawed. On a dose related basis chlorine compared to fl- is much more harmful. Given at the same dose a fl- in the water it would kill us, and yet the government requires it to be in the water supply”
Clorine is harmful thats correct. Not as harmful as the organisms it kills.
“For your argument to stand you must first recommend that the government remove all chlorine”
Why? that makes no sense whatsoever.
Thanks for the link. I’ll keep looking. One link is from folks who sell flouride treatments, and the other is from our government, and we all know how trustworthy they are.
I’ve been posting the Quackwatch Fluoride article ad nauseam. To little effect.
The study you citeds methods were duplicated with data from alternate areas by the same scientists and they did not get the same results, so what does that mean? Simply put, the original publication is even more debunked than before.
They did recognize something between their 2 initial sets that led to higher cancer, but because the next sets of data from another part of the country did not replicate the results, means that their hypothesis that it was Floridated water that was the cause is not proven.
The did it appears find something causing a cancer spike (assuming the data set was large enough) in their first 2 groups.... but there obviously was something else different between the 2 groups than just floridated water. Their second sets of data from another part of the country did not collaborate their findings.... so this means Floride is not the culperate, or certainly cannot be concluded to be.
No one is forcing you to injest the chemical, no one says you have to drink water out of your sink.
The evidence scientifically that floride is safe, and helps and promotes tooth health and does not produce any harmful effects is pretty well established, with over 70 years of research. You don’t want to believe that, that’s fine.
You wish to believe Floridated water is dangerous you are welcome to believe whatever you wish, however facts don’t back up this belief.
Government chlorinates drinking water too, you want to end that? I mean why should we be ingesting Chlorine when you know things like bochelism, cholera, etc are just so much more natural and would be in the water without it.
I’ve lived in places with floridated water most of my life, and briefly in places that don’t. And teeth without question are healthier where its floridated. In fact I’d never seen a child whos baby teeth were cavity ridden until I moved someplace with non floridated water.... Florides benefits are incredibly well documented and proven. Your claims of danger in drinking water are not.
In fact, cancer rates were much higher in the place I lived that had non floridated water, than where I have lived with floridated water.
This rediculous fear mongering on this topic has to end, floridation of drinking water has been going on for nearly 70 years in places artificially, and for eons naturally. In fact it was the recognition that this naturally occurring floride was protecting peoples teeth back around 1930s that began the study and eventual floridation of drinking water in most of the country.
Since then some poor science publications have instilled fearmongering in some places, but not one study has ever been published showing any definative link between 1 part per million of floride and adverse health effects, in either the short or long term. Not one that has claimed ill effect has been able to replicate its results, not one on the entire planet by any scientist anywhere has been able to prove and replicate results that link floride at this level to adverse health effects.
If your local community decides that rotten teeth is what it values, then by all means don’t floridate your water. However claiming you aren’t doing it for health reasons is just hogwash.
Yes, NYC water comes from a reservoir way upstate near Woodstock, NY (yes, THE Woodstock). The water from my town also comes from a reservoir but it sure tastes bad. I don’t know what the town does to it but I sure don’t feel like I’m getting my money’s worth.
Sorry, just getting tired of repeating myself.. I just don’t get how anyone remotely educated can claim with the evidence what it is, that floridated water is hazardous to life.
The seem to think people just set out with the intent of poisoning them as though no thought, study or anything else went on as to how and why floride began being added to municipal water supplies in the first place.... that the powers that be just poof started adding it trying to give everyone cancer.
This stuff has been studied and studied and studied, and not once has it ever conclusively been linked to any long term health effects... not one time has any study that’s claimed harm been able to have its results replicated anywhere on the planet.
I’ve seen what a non floridated water population looks like, and its not pretty. Kids that have artificial teeth to replace their baby teeth, etc etc etc. No dentist can stand up and say floridated water does not positively improve teeth health. And not one scientist can stand up and say with any certainty that floridated water is a health risk.
Yet these conspiracy nutjobs keep perpetuating debunked studies and lunacy.
If you don’t want floride in your water fine, but don’t claim that floridated water is a health risk, because its not.
They need to also do a poll on di-hydrogen monoxide in our drinking water.
Most people don’t realize di-hydrogen monoxide is found in greater quantities in our drinking water than is flouride.
“I just don’t get how anyone remotely educated can claim with the evidence what it is, that floridated water is hazardous to life.
“The seem to think people just set out with the intent of poisoning them as though no thought, study or anything else went on as to how and why floride began being added to municipal water supplies in the first place.... that the powers that be just poof started adding it trying to give everyone cancer.”
See my tagline. Just on testimonial anecdotal evidence alone, besides some people here mentioning some problems (some questionable), I’ve never heard of such problems.
Joke about the endless argument over fluoride.
I never found the objections credible, though.
i’d love to see the results if you bring your average chlorinated water for analysis (which most county’s have since many areas need to build wells for water)...
i know city water a half hour from here clorinates their water and it stil fails the test.
first you say that the parts per billion is so small that it’d have no effect on the body (where the vast majority of this is going without ever touching teeth) then you continue to maintain that it’s integral to the health of teeth where most of it is never put in contact with...
“Your argument was fl- is bad because the government forces one to “ingest” it. The government also forces one to ingest chlorine.”
Without chlorine or similar chemical the water will support numerous bacteria and viruses which will make people sick and possibly cause death. Unfortunately there is no other way of delivering water safely and economically. I use filters which removes the chlorine before use.
Today, there are many ways to get fluoride without putting it in the water. Most people and especially children get too much of it. Those areas which don’t put fluoride in their water tend to be rural areas. In many cases they are poor and don’t have access to good nutrition and dental care. So the cause and effect people are using to show lack of fluoride in the water causes cavities is faulty.
I suggest that the government should not be adding this chemical to our water. Its not needed to keep the water safe. My belief in that is not fear mongering or ignorant.
Again, replace fluoride with global warming and this thread would sound exactly like a DU thread. Kinda scary there are that many conservatives out there who trust their government this much.
“Most people don’t realize the harm it is doing. there is strong evidence it is causing serious diseases.”
I must be one of them could you please tell us what harm is being done and show us the evidence?
Absolutely, and you can ask any dentist. The proof of FL water improving tooth health is incredibly well documented.
It’s a civil rights issue to me. Does any government have the right to mass-drug its citizens?
Adding Prozac to the water would probably have a “beneficial effect” on the population too.
BS, absolute BS.
I lived in Sunnyvale California.. hardly well water or poor or rural backwater, and kids teeth in that area are abysmal! They don’t floridate their water, and it is utterly evident.
Dentist knew as soon as I sat in the chair I was not a native to the area, even more so when my son did.
I’ve lived my entire life where fl has been added to the water supply, other than the stint in Cali. And I’d never seen children with rotted baby teeth before moving to Cali, there it was not uncommon at all.
The evidence of fl improving teeth health is well documented, in fact it was in the 1930s that this connection was recognized by a dentist in Colorado who was trying to figure out why the teeth he was seeing there were so much more generally healthy than teeth in other parts of the country.
The answer it turned out was naturally occurring floride in the water supply. From there studies and trials to floridate water supplies were begun, and the evidence is overwhelming that 1 part per million floride in drinking water vastly improves tooth health.
Denial of this fact is as lunatic fringe as claiming the towers were brought down by the US government.
The evidence and studies proving floridated waters effects on teeth health are well documented, claiming otherwise just shows ignorance.
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