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Spontaneous Combustion On Arlington Playground (Not Bush's fault - yet)
CBS 11 TV ^ | 8/13/07 | Joel Thomas

Posted on 08/18/2007 1:05:13 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: CHEE

Well known in the timber industry. If it gets too hot out here (Oregon) you’ll see them watering the lumber. No joke.


21 posted on 08/18/2007 2:20:52 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
If you need some extra water to soak down the Oregon lumber yards just let me know. We (in TEXAS) have a bunch to spare over the last couple of months.
22 posted on 08/18/2007 2:27:35 PM PDT by CHEE (Only a true victory will end the War on Terror)
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To: Boiling point

Exactly correct. Hay with over about 22 to 25% moisture packed into a bale will start to get hot. Above about 25% moisture, even in a relatively small clump within a bale, can cause a fire. I’ve put up hay where, when I probed the stack after I got it off the field, I had to call the hay broker and say “Hey, I’ve got some hot hay here, could you help me out and sell/move this in less than 10 days?”

A couple phone calls later, it was done and done: about 75 tons of hay moved down the road in four days, to a huge dairy that fed it while the hay was still heating up, but not so hot that it was causing the hay to turn to ash in the bale yet.

I’ve seen a neighbor’s hay stack go up in flames in the middle of February, when it was getting down to 0F at night. This was the result of melting snow getting down in between the 1-ton bales, getting the hay wet from the outside in, and then starting the heating process.

The same thing can conceivably happen with decaying wood under the right conditions, which might be what is happening here. You’d need finely-chopped wood mulch, perhaps that was chopped “wet” when there was still sap left in the wood (you need sugars in the anaerobic process), chopped fine, then packed down with some additional moisture added.


23 posted on 08/18/2007 2:32:00 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Libloather

Someone - I can’t remember who - once famously said, “If I owned hell and Texas, I’d live in hell and rent out Texas.”


24 posted on 08/18/2007 2:33:09 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jaysun

You’re right, this is more like a piece of glass or metal heating up in the sun and then lighting some tinder, AKA “mulch” on fire.


25 posted on 08/18/2007 3:10:43 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
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To: Libloather

I have seen buckets of old rags burn several times over the years.


26 posted on 08/18/2007 3:18:18 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: Boiling point

Years ago in New England, haystacks always wore a tarp over the top to stop dew and rain from seeping down inside and causing combustion.


27 posted on 08/18/2007 3:28:33 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Libloather

Probably a cigarette.


28 posted on 08/18/2007 3:39:00 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Libloather
Anyone who ever worked in a saw mill, plywood plant or particle board plant can tell you that wood chips can spontaneously combust. Seen it happen. Also, try digging into a pile of wet wood chips and see how hot it gets in the middle!

However, this mulch was most likely not deep enough to cause spontaneous combustion, I would say glass or maybe even a human intervention.

29 posted on 08/18/2007 4:26:21 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Libloather

I very seriously doubt this!!


30 posted on 08/18/2007 4:33:35 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: Jack Black
Well known in the timber industry. If it gets too hot out here (Oregon) you’ll see them watering the lumber. No joke.

Normally they water LOGS to keep then wood from staining. If you pile logs they will develop blue or orange stains due to wetting and drying, therefore you wet them down constantly, especially in hot weather.

Lumber itself is stacked so as to let air dry it(usually inside a kiln), when it is dry it is in no danger of combusting after it is stacked.

I would think you are seeing logs being wetted down rather than lumber. I worked in the lumber industry for 35 years and never saw anyone wetting down lumber.

31 posted on 08/18/2007 4:35:52 PM PDT by calex59
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To: CHEE
I becha the Arlington IDS bought the wood-chip fiber from China

LOL!!!

32 posted on 08/18/2007 6:23:03 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ( America: “...the most benign hegemon in history.” —Mark Steyn)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
If you have never poured brake fluid onto dry swimming pool chlorine, (crushed if in pellets) You are in for a treat. It spontaneously combusts like a match in black powder. WARNING: deadly and painful chlorine gas is produced!
33 posted on 08/18/2007 10:24:13 PM PDT by Boiling point (The Indians had a bad immigration policy and look what happened to them!)
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To: Libloather
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34 posted on 08/18/2007 10:29:32 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: NVDave; Boiling point
You have to be careful not only with green-baled hay, but also with pine wood shavings which are commonly used in the South for stable bedding instead of straw (they are free from the lumber mills, you just haul it). They have a big pile of shavings at the back of the mill, often under cover but sometimes not. If you haul a big load and it got rained on recently, and you pile it deep, you can have yourself a nasty fire in short order. . . especially in hot weather.

There have been some disastrous fires in the South from 'hot' hay or shavings, usually in the summer. Barn I used to ride at burned right down from green hay in the loft and killed 48 horses. Most stables around here have started keeping their hay and shavings in separate buildings from the horses. Best set up I've seen is roofed concrete block bays across the stable yard from the stalls, with the hay stacked up off the ground on pallets. Never had a fire -- two of the barn rats are told off to turn the shavings every so often.

35 posted on 08/19/2007 12:53:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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