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RON PAUL DEFRAUDED BY IOWA STRAW POLL PROCESS -- Part I (LAUGH ALERT)
votefraud.org ^ | Jim Condit Jr.

Posted on 08/17/2007 10:46:03 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Years ago, William F. Buckley forcefully and (more importantly) denounced Patrick Buchanan for the latter's unvarnished and unapologetic antisemitism, essentially shaming him right out of the Republican Party proper, for all intents and purposes. For this, Mr. Buckley is (and, rightly, always shall be) counted among the all-time great conservative heroes....Ron Paul needs to do the same, re: his more demonstrably poisonous supporters.

He most certainly does. And if he doesn't, the Republican Party has to do it, because the Dems will use this issue. As they still use Buchanan, another non-Republican.

281 posted on 08/17/2007 3:45:35 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: KDD
That can only be achieved in a free society.

Is that why cut and run wants to surrender to the terrorists?
282 posted on 08/17/2007 3:50:05 PM PDT by John D
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Sorry, but I'm not letting you dodge any longer, no matter how giggle-inducing the resulting spasticity:

"Sites exclusively utilizing long (and inherently) discredited sources (e.g. Al-Jazeera, Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney, Al Franken, Wesley Clark, etc. -- all easily and repeatedly cited as authors/sources in RawStory's archives) are, de facto, discredited in and of THEMSELVES, muffin.

"Sites publicly and repeatedly busted for posting and promoting demonstrably false and discredited stories are, de facto, discredited in and of THEMSELVES, muffin.

"Simple computer programming term for you to commit to memory, muffin: GIGO. "Garbage In, Garbage Out."

Now: no more fleeing, shrieking like a schoolgirl, from the simple, straightforward questions, please. Out of curiousity... which one is it, in particular, which inspires your greatest sense of confidence in the overall veracity and intellectual vigor, insofar as RawStory's most frequent sources and contributors is concerned: the direct Al-Jazeera feed? Mother Jones magazine? John Conyers? Elizabeth Edwards? Stephen Colbert? Which one of these is most unswervingly "in line" with Ron Paul's goals and ideals, I wonder? Hmmmmmmm...?

[HINT: Your Answer Here, muffin.]

i hope that i didn't go too fast for you.

The very least pressing and terrifying of all (remotely) possible earthly outcomes, based upon your jaw-droppingly ineffectual performance to date, muffin.

The questions. Answer 'em.

283 posted on 08/17/2007 3:51:07 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Tell me again what the difference is between a Ron Paul supporter and a leftist moonbat

Only some of the leftist moonbats are stoned.

284 posted on 08/17/2007 3:53:30 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: John D

Terrorism and the Expansion of Federal Power

The events of September 11th understandably made Americans far more concerned about their safety here at home. All of us want action taken to diminish the threat of future terrorist attacks, and President Bush is doing a very good job of pursuing bin Laden and his cohorts overseas. The proper focus should be on identifying those responsible and using limited military force to bring them to justice. We should arrest or kill the perpetrators abroad, use our armed forces more wisely to defend our borders, and reform immigration laws to keep terrorists out.

Unfortunately, the focus in Congress seems to be on a domestic agenda that will adversely affect millions of ordinary Americans without making us any safer. An example can be found in a Customs Service bill slated for a vote in the House this week. This bill gives customs and postal agents new authority to open and inspect outgoing U.S. mail without probable cause or a warrant. I don’t think many Americans are comfortable with having federal agents open and search the mail they send! Of course it’s easier to pass such a measure when the public is in a fearful mood and demanding action. Ten or twenty years from now, when the recent attacks are a distant memory, federal agents will still be opening mail- mail sent by American citizens, not terrorists.

Americans face an internal threat every bit as dangerous as foreign terrorists: the loss of domestic freedoms. Every 20th century crisis- two great wars and a decade-long economic depression- led to rapid expansions of the federal government. The cycle is always the same, with temporary crises used to justify permanent new laws, agencies, and programs.

The cycle is repeating itself. Congress has been scrambling to pass new legislation (and spend billions of your tax dollars) since September. Most of the news laws passed and dollars spent have nothing to do with defending our borders and cities against terrorist attacks. I have already written and spoken at length concerning the dangers to our civil liberties posed by the rush to pass new laws. I do not believe that our Constitution permits federal agents to monitor phones, mail, or computers without a warrant. I do not believe that government should eavesdrop on confidential conversations between attorneys and clients. I certainly do not believe “terrorism” should be defined so broadly that American citizens expressing dissent against their own government could be investigated and prosecuted as terrorists.

Remember, President Bush will not be in office forever. History demonstrates that the powers we give the federal government today will remain in place indefinitely. How comfortable are you that future Presidents won’t abuse those powers? Politically-motivated IRS audits and FBI investigations have been used by past administrations to destroy political enemies. It’s certainly possible that future executives could use their new surveillance powers in similarly unethical ways. The bottom line is that every American should be very concerned about the unintended consequences of policies promoted to fight an unending, amorphous battle against terrorism.


285 posted on 08/17/2007 3:55:48 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I vote Elizabeth Edwards...

There is a lot more to her...

I detect evil....


286 posted on 08/17/2007 3:56:04 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: philman_36

“So few deaths?” 165,000 is “so few deaths?”

There’s a word for people like you: psycho.


287 posted on 08/17/2007 3:56:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: John D

Effective and Practical Counter-Terrorism Measures

Over the past month I have introduced several bills designed to address terrorism and make Americans feel more secure. While many counter-terrorism proposals were considered in Congress last week, my belief is that the most effective steps we can take do not infringe upon the civil liberties of American citizens. In fact, I believe only a free society can ever be truly secure. The goal should be to make terrorists feel threatened, not the American people.

Here are some concrete steps Congress can take immediately to make our borders, our cities, and our skies more secure:

Arm Pilots: It is unthinkable to leave pilots defenseless in the cockpit after the events of September 11th. We trust pilots to operate multimillion dollar machines filled with human cargo, yet incredibly we do not trust them with firearms. While airport security certainly can be strengthened, pilots must have the choice to carry weapons as a last line of defense against future hijacking attempts.

Immigration Restrictions: Common sense tells us that we should not currently be admitting aliens from nations that sponsor or harbor terrorists. Remember, only U.S. citizens have constitutional rights; non-citizens are in the country at the discretion of the State department. While we should generally welcome people from around the world whenever possible, we cannot allow potential enemies or terrorists to enter the country now under any circumstances. My legislation would restrict immigration, including the granting of student visas, by individuals from nations listed as terrorist threats by the State department.

Better intelligence gathering: Burdensome regulations and bureaucratic turf wars hamper the ability of federal law enforcement personnel to share information about terrorists. My proposal would slash regulations and make sure the CIA, FBI, State department, Justice department, and military work together to coordinate anti-terrorism efforts.

Harsher criminal penalties for terrorists: The federal statute of limitations for terrorist offenses should be eliminated, so that suspects can never breathe easy even 10 or 20 years from now. Jail sentences and penalties should be increased, and the death penalty should be possible for many offenses. Terrorist attempts and conspiracies should be treated as harshly as completed acts.

Letters of marque and reprisal: This constitutional tool can be used to give President Bush another weapon in the war on terrorism. Congress can issue letters of marque against terrorists and their property that authorize the President to name private sources who can capture or kill our enemies. This method works in conjunction with our military efforts, creating an incentive for people on the ground close to Bin Laden to kill or capture him and his associates. Letters of marque are especially suited to the current war on terrorism, which will be fought against individuals who can melt into the civilian population or hide in remote areas. The goal is to avail ourselves of the intelligence of private parties, who may stand a better chance of finding Bin Laden than we do through a conventional military invasion. Letters of marque also may help us avoid a wider war with Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern nations.

End legal preferences for terrorist suspects: Congress should clarify all federal criminal statutes to insure that so-called “extralegal” preferences for criminal terrorist suspects are eliminated. In some past terrorist investigations, federal rules have been interpreted to require law enforcement to show something more than standard probable cause to obtain warrants. Law enforcement officials should never have to demonstrate anything more than standard probable cause when seeking a warrant in the war on terrorism.


288 posted on 08/17/2007 3:58:12 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: ejonesie22
I vote Elizabeth Edwards...

There is a lot more to her...

...than meets the eye?

...than one can take?

...if you know where to look?

...and she's willing to show it?

Aw, common, tell me when I'm gettin' close.

289 posted on 08/17/2007 4:05:58 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Petronski
“So few deaths?” 165,000 is “so few deaths?”

Yeah. Scary, isn't it. But it was 'those people' who died (or may die in Iraq if we leave). They're really of no concern, are they? /s

290 posted on 08/17/2007 4:11:46 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

i don’t have to answer your obfuscations:

YOU made the assertion that the article was incorrect:

Prove it or retract the comments.

It’s that simple.


291 posted on 08/17/2007 4:11:59 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: KDD
This bill gives customs and postal agents new authority to open and inspect outgoing U.S. mail without probable cause or a warrant.
Who cares. I have nothing to hide.
I do not believe that our Constitution permits federal agents to monitor phones, mail, or computers without a warrant.
Again, Why would anybody care, unless they are doing something they should not be doing.
Politically-motivated IRS audits and FBI investigations have been used by past administrations to destroy political enemies.
I have not seen any bills allowing unnecessary IRS audits.
The most important duty of the president is to protect the citizens of the US. Surrendering to the terrorists does not protect us, it just emboldens the terrorists which puts us in more danger.
292 posted on 08/17/2007 4:28:00 PM PDT by John D
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To: KDD
Here are some concrete steps Congress can take immediately to make our borders, our cities, and our skies more secure:

Arm Pilots

Immigration Restrictions

Better intelligence gathering

Harsher criminal penalties for terrorists

Letters of marque and reprisal

End legal preferences for terrorist suspects

These are all defensive measures. But if Ron Paul truly believes as he stated in a Dennis Miller interview (see post #130 above) "Ron Paul: If you understand what motivates suicide terrorism, you'll realize it's not radical Islam. The most motivating factor is that fact they are being occupied by a foreign force.", then why would he believe the above measures are necessary once we remove ourselves as an occupying force? It would seem to me, should his beliefs prove correct, that once he's elected to office and brings our forces home, the threat of 'suicide terrorism' not only diminishes but terminates. After all, we're no longer a threat. So, why these defensive measures?

293 posted on 08/17/2007 4:49:15 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
"While we are totally devoid of evidence..."
The voting process at the Iowa Straw Poll was a fraud, wrapped in lies... those people are frauds, are acting like Stalin-esque tyrants, and their organization is a fraud... These KGB/GESTAPO TYPES, groveling before the sinister banking powers in NYC and behind the RNC and the DNC, -- and acting as their enforcers in Iowa -- hid all the EVIDENCE ... WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU! You hid the evidence! You have hidden the ballots – and now you have had time to switch the ballots! You fronted for crooks, thieves, enemies of America, enemies of honest people everywhere! ...In 1995, when the “unbelievable” tie occurred between CFR favorites Senator Bob Dole and Senator Phil Graham – the doors were locked for two solid hours after the voting ended... The published "results": that year were that Buchanan... Our strong suspicion was that Buchanan came in first in 1995, but this result was unpalatable to the Neo-Cons running the GOP in NYC and D.C... While we are totally devoid of evidence... The World Tyranny Ruling Elite needed Paul to appear to finish near the bottom so that they could ignore him completely on the mass media. Therefore, the suspicion is that Ron Paul’s vote was partially stolen and distributed to Huckabee, Brownback, and Romney. (Tancredo would not be helped by the Iowa GOP, despite his neo-con outlook on foreign affairs, because his anti-illegal immigration stance is completely unpalatable to the Ruling Elite in NYC and D.C. who dictate to the Iowa GOP, and all other state GOPs.
This nutty rant reminds me of the conspiracy nuttery gorged on and regurgitated in the Moslem world.
294 posted on 08/17/2007 4:54:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, August 17, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bcsco

I think she is actually plant by the evil CFR. She just read her orders wrong...

She wasn’t supposed to be in control of Ron Paul, but Dennis Kushinich...


295 posted on 08/17/2007 5:00:11 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: philman_36; bcsco; Petronski; BlackElk; SJackson
A single death by someone else's hands for nefarious purposes can be considered a slaughter...

Keeping score is what tyrants and serial killers do...

The fact you wish to play comparison games with the lives of innocents disturbs me deeply...

296 posted on 08/17/2007 5:07:41 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: SunkenCiv

No, theirs is more palatable...


297 posted on 08/17/2007 5:09:31 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: ejonesie22
She wasn’t supposed to be in control of Ron Paul, but Dennis Kushinich...

Ah. Now I get it. You meant "I detect evil....twins!

298 posted on 08/17/2007 5:10:04 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Tell me again what the difference is between a Ron Paul supporter and a leftist moonbat?

The left wing moonbat wants nationalized health care.

The RP supporter wants shrimp subsidies.

299 posted on 08/17/2007 5:16:14 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Backing Tribe al-Ameriki even if the Congress won't.)
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To: SunkenCiv; bcsco
This nutty rant reminds me of the conspiracy nuttery gorged on and regurgitated in the Moslem world.

Indeed, Mr. Condit would feel at home there.

(link courtesy of bcsco)

300 posted on 08/17/2007 5:16:30 PM PDT by dighton
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