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Fair Tax, Foul Politics [NRO on FairTax]
Fair Tax, Foul Politics ^ | August 16, 2007 | NRO Editors

Posted on 08/16/2007 6:10:39 PM PDT by RobFromGa

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To: ari-freedom

The prebate is a political hackjob done to try and get liberals to support the plan.

Ask yourself, would the average citizen feel MORE or LESS dependent on big government if every man, woman and child in America received a nice government check every month?

And then ask yourself, would future politicans be tempted to adjust the amount of this check for certain voting blocs in order to secure votes?

And would a 30-50% sales tax cause people to try and evade the tax? The remedy for that is a higher tax rate, causing more evasion. And then the reinstatement of the income tax on an emergency basis, only on the RICH people making say $50,000 per year and more...


21 posted on 08/16/2007 6:31:16 PM PDT by RobFromGa (FDT/TBD in 2008!)
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To: xcamel
It is the brainchild of an extremely wealthy texas developer on a lifelong “jihad” against the IRS who got caught cheating the system,
To the Fairtaxer there are only 2 possible ways one can get wealthy.

1) If it's the income tax, cheat...

2) The Fairtax

22 posted on 08/16/2007 6:31:49 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: FewsOrange
If you go into a store and see an item of clothing with a price label of $100 you will end up paying $130 under the Fair Tax system.

Generally you are correct. Your take home pay will also be higher so it offsets.

23 posted on 08/16/2007 6:31:55 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: FewsOrange
"TANSTAAFL!"

Robert Heinlein

24 posted on 08/16/2007 6:33:59 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: groanup

A dollar will buy approximately 20-30% less than it does now. Just because some people will have more dollars doesn’t mean everyone will. Everyone that owes credit card debts or mortgage debts will repay them with these new dollars that are more abundant. Everyone that has lended money like banks will be repaid with these less valuable dollars.

People with money get screwed, people that owe money are better off. Until the economy collapses.


25 posted on 08/16/2007 6:34:27 PM PDT by RobFromGa (FDT/TBD in 2008!)
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To: xcamel

“Look up the history of AFFT, and the players, and you’ll find out everything they don’t want you to know.....”

Ya wanna do us al a favor and throw out some support...maybe a link or two to educate us peons who just don’t “get it” yet!!


26 posted on 08/16/2007 6:36:04 PM PDT by mo
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To: RobFromGa
A dollar will buy approximately 20-30% less than it does now.

Have I got to explain this to you AGAIN?

27 posted on 08/16/2007 6:37:29 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: bahblahbah
There are crane operators out there who know that if you buy $100 worth of clothes the 23% FairTax comes out of the $100.
You must be a crane operator that read "the book" and not the bill.

`SEC. 510. TAX TO BE SEPARATELY STATED AND CHARGED.


28 posted on 08/16/2007 6:39:05 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: ari-freedom
The flat tax is already tried and tested in Hong Kong, Russia, several European countries as well as Alberta, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

And in the United States of America I might add. The monstrosity we suffer today started out as a "flat tax".

why not go with that?

We did and you can see the results!

Income taxes, in any form, tax the complete wrong end of the spectrum i.e. initiative, effort, frugality etc. while taxes on articles of consumption - sales taxes - tax what one takes OUT of the economy vs what he put's in.

Fact is that The The income tax is the root of all evil.

29 posted on 08/16/2007 6:39:58 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: bahblahbah

Bravo Sierra. When he buys something for $100 and pays a 6% state sales tax, he knows he pays a total of $106. Your approach is highly deceptive.


30 posted on 08/16/2007 6:40:37 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: groanup
A thread that needs some truth injection.
Who's stopping you?
31 posted on 08/16/2007 6:40:44 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn
That must have been the large type easy eye version using words of one syllable or less...
32 posted on 08/16/2007 6:41:01 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: RobFromGa

Yes, the fairtax people are missing this basic psychological problem. It’s the same trick that credit cards use to get people to spend more money. You have the ‘money’ now and you get a cashback reward. You end up spending more money thinking you’ll end up ahead.

Lots of retail stores already evade the state sales tax by transacting in mostly cash and keeping it under the table. So of course we will expect more underreporting under a fairtax which focuses on this mostly cash business. Higher rates will be required.


33 posted on 08/16/2007 6:41:26 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: groanup

See post #6 then.


34 posted on 08/16/2007 6:41:34 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: groanup
Your take home pay will also be higher so it offsets.
Other than AFT and "the book" where is that written?
35 posted on 08/16/2007 6:43:26 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Bigun
Guarantee what happened to your beloved 1913 "flat tax" example won't happen to your beloved "fair tax" and I might listen... or not.
36 posted on 08/16/2007 6:43:30 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: groanup
Have I got to explain this to you AGAIN?

You haven't got enough brainpower unfortunately. If you did, you wouldn't ask the question.

37 posted on 08/16/2007 6:45:00 PM PDT by RobFromGa (FDT/TBD in 2008!)
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To: ari-freedom
Yes, the fairtax people are missing this basic psychological problem.

They are missing a lot of obvious things...

38 posted on 08/16/2007 6:45:41 PM PDT by RobFromGa (FDT/TBD in 2008!)
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To: Bigun
The monstrosity we suffer today started out as a "flat tax".
Do you have any idea what the Flat Tax is?
39 posted on 08/16/2007 6:48:52 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: xcamel
Guarantee what happened to your beloved 1913 "flat tax" example won't happen to your beloved "fair tax" and I might listen... or not.

I'm just a nobody but if my guarantee is all you are waiting for, you have it!

Personally however, LONG experience leads me to believe you quite incapable of "listening" to anything beyond your preconceived notions of reality.

40 posted on 08/16/2007 6:49:33 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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