Don’t Let the Smoking Police In (And Don't Lick Barbie)

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[Eric Blair 2084]

As for Philip Morris' comment on second-hand smoke, it should not be necessarily taken as its objective scientific view. Remember that government forced them to do certain advertising and public service announcements as part of that huge class action litigation settlement with the attorneys general of most of the states. Philip Morris figured out that it would be better for its financial interest to accept the settlement, and so it voluntarily placed itself in a compliant "dummy" position where it would be forced to make public statements to which it wouldn't necessarily agree otherwise.

Philip Morris and Tobacco Control

Why does Philip Morris lie? Same reason they have always lied...Money.

You know Black Bitch (nothing personal, I just couldn't stop laughing when somebody coined that term for you), you have to admit that it is hysterical that the same anti-smokers here who condemned PM as lying scumbags when they lied about the health effects of smoking, addictiveness of Tobacco and their attempts to market to children...Now point to PM statements as being the Gospel Truth. You can't make this stuff up.

PS: Golf...now that is addicting.

[Eric Blair 2084]

I think Wheee needs a “lap dance.”

Don't look at me. I'm not doin' it. I wouldn't even give him mouth to mouth if he was dying. Heck, I wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire. :-)

[Eric Blair 2084]

I see I have a hit an exposed nerve and pissed you off. What else is new.

[TigersEye]

Curious minds would like to know....

A curious mind could lead to risky behavior endangering yourself or the public at large. In order to insure public safety 'curious minding' has now been outlawed and those indulging in it will be remanded to a required Thought Safety Course.

[TigersEye]

IMNHO your thoughts on gooberment health care insurance are not overstated at all.
Radical Islam couldn’t even conceive of inflicting the kind of suffering that would bring about.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Level of proof? Your inference that SHS has caused a single death doesn't even pass the laugh test. If it did, what are you all still doing here? We can play the game of dueling bogus studies until either 3 am or until everyone gets bored...you've got 1,000, we've got 1,000.

There is a legal term called prima facie evidence...i.e. the evidence speaks for itself. There are no deaths associated with ETS. If SHS kills people, why should smokers even bother to quit? The SHS will kill you and them anyway.

Besides Richard Moorehead, can anyone here name 10 other people who have been killed by smoke in a bar? He is the only documented case to date.

Man's Impending Death to be Caused by Second Hand Smoke

In a joint press conference on Friday, the World Health Organization and the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention announced that the premature death of a Montana man will be caused by exposure to Second Hand Smoke.

“After extensive conversation with the SAMMEC computers and after long and grueling hours of torturing the data until it told us what we want to hear, we are finally prepared to definitively state that Richard Mooreheads’ death will be a direct result of his exposure to Second Hand Smoke.” Said WHO Director-General Dr. Margaret Chan “We can find no other logical reason for Mr. Mooreheads soon to be tragic demise other than his exposure to SHS.”

The soon to be deceased Mr. Moorehead, 54, an unemployed HIV positive, type 2 diabetic, MS, ALS and kidney dialysis patient who is addicted to Crystal Meth and Heroin, was shocked and visibly angry when told of his diagnosis and cause of death. Reached at his home in an exclusive gated trailer park community in Missoula, MT, Mr. Moorehead blamed his impending death on the careless brutes with cigarettes down at Jim’s Roadhouse Bar on Highway 263. “I’ve never smoked tobacco in my life. But that darn Jim’s Bar was always filled with that there smoke.”

Second Hand Smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of a smoker. It causes an estimated 450,000 deaths per day, according to health authorities, Al Gore and Dionne Warwick’s Psychic Friends Network. It’s also been known to cause AIDS, herpes, hemmorhoids, athlete’s foot and jock itch.

[elkfersupper]

I rode around in vehicles that weren't even equipped with seatbelts from the day I was born until somewhere in my early 30's.

This means that my two young children did also.

Miraculously, we're all still here.

[elkfersupper]

we (the people) grant the priveledge of driving on our public roads to people with certain stipulations, one of which is to not drive drunk. We built our roads and we dictate how people are to use them.

Sorry, the right to peaceably travel public thoroughfares is a god-given right.

[TigersEye]

Bravo for post #185! I’m bookmarking the thread for that alone. I’m sure the FReeper you posted it to won’t let those facts confuse him though. On with his jihad as it were!

[Eric Blair 2084]

We all learn from each other. That’s what a forum designed for the exchange of conservative, right wing ideas is supposed to provide. It’s supposed to be an educational DIALOGUE.

Too often, it degenerates into intersecting monologues where folks who parrot the left wing ideology of social engineering refuse to read what other intelligent right wing conservatives post because it doesn’t conform to their totalitarian progressive agenda.

Having said that:

Joe can you please send me a copy of the studies you posted in html format via private message? Great stuff. I can’t get it into html.

[Wheee The People]

Level of proof?

Like 9/11 truthers who believe fire can't melt steel, there is no evidence that science can provide that will ever change a smokers mind.

[KevinDavis]

I don’t think we should take away more of our rights for the sake of the “children”.....

[Eric Blair 2084]

Smoking is “bad” Wheee. It’s not health food. I/we as adults understand that. I see the warning labels which I am fully able to read as an educated adult despite my public school education.

The question that Dr. Feel is asking you is: What if anything should Gubmint do about it?

This is a political forum to discuss American political issues. Not a Taliban forum. You don’t have to press 3 for Arabic.

You seem to favor Gubmint using high taxes and kicking smokers out of restaurants, bars, beaches, parks and sidewalks in order to accomplish a progressive liberal goal.

Is that right?

[Raycpa]

Back on topic

The Risks to Children are Widely Acknowledged

The conclusion that secondhand smoke causes respiratory effects in children is widely shared and virtually undisputed. Even the tobacco industry does not contest these effects in its media and public relations campaign.

EPA estimates that every year, between 150,000 and 300,000 children under 1-1/2 years of age get bronchitis or pneumonia from breathing secondhand tobacco smoke, resulting in thousands of hospitalizations. In children under 18 years of age, secondhand smoke exposure also results in more coughing and wheezing, a small but significant decrease in lung function, and an increase in fluid in the middle ear. Children with asthma have more frequent and more severe asthma attacks because of exposure to secondhand smoke, which is also a risk factor for the onset of asthma in children who did not previously have symptoms.

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http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

God, you are such a pathetic tool.

[Wheee The People]

Oh my...a smoker with his panties in a twist. What shall I do?

[TigersEye]

In my family history there were/are plenty of smokers. Not one case of cancer ever PERIOD. What’s up with that? Is my family blessed? Is it genetics? You tell me.

The odds of a smoker getting lung cancer vary from 1% - 15% depending on various factors explained in this article. The fact is that the vast majority of smokers don't get lung cancer that's what's up.

[Gabz]

Come on Ray........that’s a pretty wide range of numbers, isn’t it? Between 150,000 and 300,000? They can’t come up with a better guesstimate, yet know without doubt the sole cause is exposure to SHS? How many children under age 1.5 come down with bronchitis or pneumonia who are NEVER exposed?

The EPA had to doctor their numbers to “determine” SHS was a carcinogen to begin with, why should anything they say about SHS be trusted?

Please note, and not well........I am only questioning the numbers of the EPA

[TigersEye]

You’re heartless. Can’t you get a little incenser to burn some pipe tobacco in for your kiddies on evenings you don’t feel like smoking a pipe? ;^)

[Eric Blair 2084]

I don’t disagree that SHS causes ear infections in chilruns and can aggravate asthma. I’ve told you before I don’t smoke around my kids in the house or in the car...because unlike selfish drunks and obese women in bars they don’t have a choice whether to be there or not.

I do have a problem with the AGENDA AFFLICTED people who use the chilruns to advance their agenda of reducing smoking rates. Do you want me to post pictures and articles of what real child abuse looks like. Just from todays paper?