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Not Breeding Obvious In Splits Of Human Evolution
The Canberra Times ^ | 8-15-2007 | Simon Grose

Posted on 08/15/2007 2:51:14 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 08/15/2007 2:51:17 PM PDT by blam
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GGG Ping.
2 posted on 08/15/2007 2:51:56 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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So... pygmys don’t count?


3 posted on 08/15/2007 2:57:40 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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< < Sigh! > > Now, you are really confusing me!


4 posted on 08/15/2007 2:58:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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For the estimated 150,000-200,000 years that our species has trod the globe, its members have made billions of babies and none have broken the Homo sapiens mould.

Congratulations, you've almost figured out why evolution is just another form of junk science. The whole thing is driven by information and the only information there is in humans is that of humans. The information to have a kid with horns and poison fangs simply isn't there.

5 posted on 08/15/2007 3:05:59 PM PDT by rickdylan
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I want to say that at some point they found some Aboriginal group that had a different number of autosomes normally.


6 posted on 08/15/2007 3:10:22 PM PDT by jack_napier
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The discovery of two fossils has challenged the belief that our ancestors Homo erectus evolved from Homo habilis,


Cultural anthropologists have learned that Homo erectus migrated in large numbers to San Francisco.


7 posted on 08/15/2007 3:18:29 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: blam

Genes.


8 posted on 08/15/2007 3:21:28 PM PDT by onedoug
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And where in the theory of evolution is your child supposed to be able to have horns and poison fangs?

I think your understanding of the science is... a bit imperfect.

9 posted on 08/15/2007 3:28:28 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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One of the explanations for racial diversity is that the small migration out of Africa spread to Central Asia, India, and down the coast toward Australia. The Toba eruption triggers global cooling, and destroys much of India. THe human population falls from tens of thousands to 1-10,000. Small populations with great isolation = lots of room for mutation/adaptation.
The groups isolated in east Asia develop the typical asian traits. Those in Australia are the ancestors of the aboriginies. Those living in Central Asia adapt to the cold grasslands, growing lighter in complexion and becoming Proto-European.
If they’d been isolated for another couple dozen millenia, those racial groups could have become species.


10 posted on 08/15/2007 3:36:50 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" by Tamara Wilhite)
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Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . . (Toba)

"The last glacial period was preceded by 1000 years of the coldest temperatures of the Late Pleistocene, apparently caused by the eruption of the Mount Toba volcano. The six year long volcanic winter and 1000-year-long instant Ice Age that followed Mount Toba's eruption may have decimated Modern Man's entire population. Genetic evidence suggests that Human population size fell to about 10,000 adults between 50 and 100 thousand years ago.

11 posted on 08/15/2007 3:43:59 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

"The first group to arrive are held to have come from the north because the cranial measurements of the surviving skulls of this type are affinial with the skulls of the Afanasevo culture in particular, which was located in the Sayan-Altai/North Mongolia area, and with the skull types of steppe people living much further to the west. This group is called "Proto-European" by Mair and Mallory, and it can be dated to have arrived in Xinjiang about 1800 B.C.E. or somewhat earlier. "

12 posted on 08/15/2007 3:46:34 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Very interesting. The author does a pretty good job of explaining those latest findings. Thanks for the post!


13 posted on 08/15/2007 4:13:00 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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When it comes to the shape of the skull, the same population can have both round and long headed individuals.

Makes shape alone rather like hard and soft fingernails.

On the other hand, it's in the proportions of torso to the long bones of the arms and legs that the greatest differences are found, and those differences appear closely related to the mean annual temperature at different latitudes.

When it comes to your liver, though, that's directly related to the amount and quality of the meat your ancestors ate. Seal eaters had to "evolve" systems to purge excess iron buildup. Same for those who followed reindeer herds, and at a later date, those who engaged extensively in raising hogs.

Up until quite recently (1901 let's say) human populations remained quite divided in terms of food availability ~ both in quantity and in kind. Eskimos rarely if ever ate bananas. Today, it's feasible for them to eat bananas every day. No doubt they will die early from Type II diabetes for engaging in a diet heavy in starch.

14 posted on 08/15/2007 4:40:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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So new parents should not expect their babies to be anything other than Homo sapiens. And with about 200,000 more births than deaths each day around the world, there is a diminishing likelihood that any group of Homo sapiens will become sufficiently isolated to kick-start a new breed.

Sounds like making excuses and, as excuses go, that one's about as lame as is possible. Punctuated equlibria has its own set of problems which is worse if anything than the pure Darwinism it was meant to replace. If nothing else, as has been noted, you need a certain level of population before you'd ever see a "beneficial mutation", assuming such a thing were ever to happen, and the tiny "peripheral" groups which Gould and others postulate would not supply them.

15 posted on 08/15/2007 4:53:04 PM PDT by rickdylan
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16 posted on 08/15/2007 4:57:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Whew, I was worried


17 posted on 08/15/2007 4:57:53 PM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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As a man of faith I’d like to believe that God’s hand was in the Toba eruption...


18 posted on 08/15/2007 5:18:02 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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Simon Grose:

ELECTRIC UNIVERSE IN THE NEWS
Simon Grose, Canberra Times, 12 April 1999.

http://www.kronia.com/thoth/ThoIII08.txt


19 posted on 08/15/2007 8:15:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho39.htm

Are retrogenes changing Darwin’s Natural Selection Paradigm?
Retrogenes: genes that don’t behave - Reverse transcription: who needs it?
a review by Gert Korthof
21 Feb 1999 (updated: 29 Feb 2004 )


20 posted on 08/15/2007 8:29:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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